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Would You Take a Magic Pill to Eliminate Your Need For Sex?
-By Caleb Jones
Here’s a theoretical question I’m curious to hear your answer to. Although I feel that sex is probably the most enjoyable thing about being a man, at the same time, I have often found myself looking forward to old age and what comes with it: my dick not giving a shit about women anymore. I have often thought about how much more time, money, and accomplishments I would have under my belt, if not for the pursuit of sex.
This TRT, not only costs a good bit of money, but it also makes you want MORE sex, which also equals more time and more money spent on women.
Imagine eating a meal and just being full for the rest of your life. Say you could do that with sex. Just be full. No desire. Over it. Would you consider it?
I remember back when I was a young man, just starting out in the business world. I was sitting at my desk one day, hard at work as always. By about 1pm, I got hungry and had to stop and eat. It pissed me off that I had to pause my fantastic work flow to do something as stupid and primitive as eating.
So I pulled away from my computer, grabbed my backpack, and pulled out my lunch, grumbling all the way. I turned to my co-worker and said, “You know, eating is a nuisance.”
She thought for a minute, started nodding, and said, “Yeah. Eating is a nuisance.”
“I’d rather just work,” I said. “Now I have to stop and eat just because my stupid body needs food? This is bullshit. It’s stupid. Look at all the time and effort we spend looking for food, eating food, worrying about food. Man, what a nuisance.”
I’m much more at peace with the human body’s need for food these days. As I’ve said before, men in their 20’s, like I was back then, tend to be bitchy, touchy stress-balls. However, I still generally agree with the sentiment that eating is sort of a pain in the ass.
Kyle is basically saying, or at least asking the same thing about sex. Yes, we want sex. Yes, we enjoy sex. But what if we didn’t need or desire it at all?
This is a complicated question that needs to be addressed from several different angles.
Before we answer this question, we need to get to an incorrect supposition within the question itself. Kyle is saying that one of the reasons he’s looking forward to being an old man is because he won’t want sex anymore. His body probably won’t be able to have sex (he assumes), therefore he won’t want sex at all. All that time, effort and worry around sex and women... gone! Won’t that be nice?
I’ve heard this opinion voiced by other men. It’s a nice thought, but it’s incorrect. Just because your cock or body doesn’t work well enough to have sex doesn’t mean you won’t want sex. You still will.
I’ve talked before about the horny old men I’ve seen in business meetings and at grocery stores. These are really, really old guys who lost the ability to have sex a very long time ago (even things like Viagra won’t help them), yet they’re still just as horny as teenagers. They make lewd comments towards women and even do things like grab their butts. (And these old bastards often get away with it, since women view them as “harmless old men.” If you or I did such a thing, we’d go straight to jail.)
I have seen the same thing with wounded vets who become trapped in wheelchairs and who lose the ability to have sex. Trust me, these guys still want to have sex just as bad as you or I, if not more so.
Therefore, this fantasy that someday you’ll be “too old to want sex” is not very likely. It’s possible I suppose, since testosterone levels and sex drive indeed decline with age, but I’ve run into way too many very old men (80+ years) who are just as horny as any other guy, functioning cock or not. You may not be able to have sex, but the odds are very good that you’ll still want it.
You WILL Be Able To “Take A Pill” Someday
Another angle to this is that, in our lifetimes, you indeed will be able to take a pill (or get a shot, or engage in some other simple medical procedure) that will either re-write your DNA or re-write your brain neurons so you will indeed not desire sex at all, if that’s what you really want. So Kyle’s hypothetical is not going to be hypothetical soon; it’s going to be part of everyday life.
With technologies such as CRISPR, you’ll be able to design or modify your body in pretty much any way you want. If you want to cure your alcoholism or get to 8% body fat, you’ll be able to take a pill or inject something and within a few weeks, boom, you’re there. This is even before viable nanotechnology (which we should have in place by the 2040’s). As I talk a lot over at my other blog, people have no idea the magnitude of changes that are coming to the human condition, and are coming very soon (well within our lifetimes).
The problem here is that, as I talked about in detail here, sex is good for you physically and mentally. If you stop having sex, you will eventually suffer mental and physical problems. Go read that article for the details.
One counterargument to this is that in the future when you can “take a pill” and remove your desire for sex, by then, we should be able to fix or alleviate any physical negatives from lack of sex as well. That’s probably true. However, today these are still issues that need to be factored in. Today, if you go without sex, it's bad for you to some degree, period.
Thus, the hypothetical must be modified to say, “If you could take a pill that would remove your desire for sex AND you would have zero mental or physical side effects from never having sex again, would you do it?”
Yet, I admit there have been times when I was envious of men with normal sex drives. I’d see guys go without sex for an entire month or more and not seem bothered by it at all. I’d think, “Man, that would be nice. To just shut if off for a while so I can focus on work.”
As I write these words, I’m into my second week in Shanghai. Since I don’t usually have sex when I travel internationally (it’s the only time I’m too excited to think about it), and since I’m not attracted to Chinese women at all, I haven’t had sex in about 10 days. That's an unusually long amount of time for me to go without sex. And yeah, I’m starting to “feel” it a little. It would be nice to not feel that urge.
My answer to these men is to ask them if they have any other negative symptoms, like lack of sleep, low motivation in life, laziness, moodiness, or similar problems. If they answer yes, I tell them to get some blood tests and perhaps see a doctor. But if they answer no, I tell them to not worry about it and get on with their happy life. If you’re truly happy, there’s no need to change anything.
It is also true that going on TRT will increase your sex drive, even if your sex drive was already high to begin with. As I talked about in my posts about this, my sex drive did indeed increase even though it was already high. For the first few months on TRT, I felt like a ravenous sex monster, and my already high level of sexual activity noticeably increased. Yet, as always, I integrated that into my lifestyle and now it’s okay. It’s become my new normal. (Thank god I’m not a beta or a monogamous Alpha 1.0, or else I’d have a serious life problem on my hands. Absolute sexual monogamy can not work for the high sex drive man, or woman for that matter.)
But yes, to be clear, having a high sex drive is indeed a disadvantage in life since it requires you to take extra time and effort to manage that and integrate that aspect into your life, something most “normal” men won’t need to do, or at least won't need to do as much.
A Healthy Sex Drive Is Closely Associated with Other Positive Traits
Sex drive, at least the male kind, is not a trait that is isolated from everything else. Rather, it is almost always linked to other traits that will really help you in life, such as:
2. A stronger drive for goal achievement (in business, fitness, women, or whatever)
3. A more optimistic view of the world and/or your own future
4. A more masculine and perhaps more confident personality (making you more attractive to women, and to a degree, men as well)
So if I “took a pill” that blasted my high sex drive down to zero, it would also likely reduce my energy levels, drive, motivation, and zest for life, at least to the point where I and others would notice. Holy hell, that’s the last thing I want! It is these very traits that have allowed me to accomplish my goals, and that I’ll need to hit future goals, of which I have many. It is these traits that give me the edge over most other men, many of whom are smarter and/or better-looking than me, but who have normal or lower sex drives.
It’s true that in the future we may be able to manipulate the human brain or DNA to “surgically” remove just sex drive without disturbing anything else in our personalities, but until that day arrives, it’s extremely dangerous to assume that sex drive can or should be reduced because all that happens is that you’ll want less sex. No, your masculine drive will suffer as well. I’ve seen this with many men as they age, my own father included. Yeah, the sex drive goes down, but so does overall happiness levels and zest for life. No thank you.
So Would I Take That Fucking Pill?
You’ll notice I haven’t actually answered the question yet. That’s because I needed to provide the entire above context for my answer. Now that you have that context, here’s my response.
Question 1: Would I take a pill that reduced my sex drive to zero for the rest of my life, so that I never needed to worry about getting sex again?
My Answer: No, because I would lose other key aspects of my personality that are hugely valuable and important to me. Keeping the high sex drive, even with the “overhead” it causes in my life, is more than worth having those positive traits.
Question 2: Okay, what if the pill eliminated your sex drive for the rest of your life while allowing you to keep all of those traits, and ensuring that you never suffered any negative mental or physical side effects?
My Answer: While I’m now very tempted, my answer is still no. Even if I had no sex drive, there would be scenarios I can envision having in my future where I would want to want to have a sex drive and enjoy sex, even if for a little while.
For example, I really like riding on big, super-fast roller coasters. I’ve ridden on many and can’t wait to ride some more. If you waved a magic wand and completely eliminated this desire from my personality, even if you kept everything else the same, I’m pretty sure I would be a little sad, or at least concerned, just like those emails I get from men worrying that they have no sex drive. I remember how fun those roller coasters were, and I can envision wanting to want to go on one again. So my answer is still no, tempting as I admit it is.
Question 3: Okay, okay. Let’s say you could take that pill, but at any time, you could take an antidote that would instantly return your high sex drive back to you. You could go “on” and “off” the pill any time you liked, as much as you wanted, with no side effects for either, without affecting any of your motivation or drive. Now would you take it?
My Answer: Yes, now I would take it. If I was 100% assured that it worked the way you say it would in your hypothetical, and I saw lots of other men do this successfully over a period of several years (I would not be an early adopter; not even close), then sure, I’d probably do it. The ability to temporarily switch off my sex drive would be a helpful feature to my body, provided everything else about my happy, motivated personality was unchanged.
Hopefully now you understand how the issue of male sex drive is not as simple as it seems. For now, I’ll stick with it.
But hey, who knows what the future holds?
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AL 2017-04-17 07:52:11
Eating, sleeping and going to the loo are a damned nuisance. A pill to get rid of those would be best, thus leaving more time for sex. I'm over 60 thank you very much and it's all in good working order. 🙂
Gil Galad 2017-04-17 08:09:43
I imagine Question 3 would receive a yes from any man who isn't squeamish about manipulating his biology.
Sex drive, at least the male kind, is not a trait that is isolated from everything else. Rather, it is almost always linked to other traits that will really help you in lifeYep, a body that perceives that it is a "winner" (confident, high energy guy) will tend to capitalize on that to satisfy high-priority OBW purposes, and so it will divert resources to sexual function. I think this whole concept of "what would I do if I could stop wanting X" is not something we're equipped to decide on without hindsight. Most desires that we have, we also have a tendency to view as good. Say, would you take a pill to stop loving the woman you currently love, assuming she'll take the same pill ? Would you take a pill that removes both your desire for children *and* any positive perception of this desire ? And the mother of them all: would you take a pill that removes fear of death (without removing normal instincts of self-protection like pulling one's hand away from a burn etc of course) ? We can't reliably judge a priori because what we'll be a posteriori is basically another person that'll have a differing opinion. Before removal of the fear of death, one would say "I don't want that, I would let myself die easily !", but for the person you'd be post-operation, that outcome would be okay. Who's the judge, the person you are now or the person you'll be as a consequence of the decision ?... I guess the only reference point that could help me with a decision is the memory of my childhood. After all, at 10 I already had some of my key personality traits - especially the nerdy tendencies - , and in spite of being more or less an asexual being, I had a lot of fun. So based on this, maybe yes.
With technologies such as CRISPR, you’ll be able to design or modify your body in pretty much any way you want [...] This is even before viable nanotechnology (which we should have in place by the 2040’s). [...] people have no idea the magnitude of changes that are coming to the human condition, and are coming very soon (well within our lifetimes)Just saying, not every futurist agrees that it'll happen that fast, far from it. I imagine you've already mentally prepared for any disappointment, but at the same time I'm surprised by how confident you sound. I was a mild, temporary Kurzweil enthusiast around 2014 (after a period of skepticism), but after reading more - including his 2005 book -, I'm back to skepticism and it's not like smart experts who understand how he thinks are all agreeing with him, far from it. I'll give just two examples of where he's been mistaken: In 2005 he was saying that the revolution in genomics was coming in the 2010s (direct, on-the-market human applicability, not the bunch of tentative/experimental stuff we currently have) and nanotech for the 2020s; he's now pushed it back by about 8-10 years. Second example, way more decredibilizing: in 1999 he predicted a life expectancy of 100 in 2019 and 120 in 2029 (we aren't even close to achieving this regardless of whether he meant the whole world, the developed world, or one sizeable country), and that its rate of increase would reach 1 year per year ("longevity escape velocity") by the early 2010s. Well we're coming up on the 2020s and still nowhere near 1 year per year (he has pushed it back to "10-15 years from now" in recent talks, an implicit acknoweldgement of an almost 20-year mistake, which can keep being stretched of course). Until I see a godlike AI that will unsurprisingly accelerate everything (after all Kurzweil has a better record on AI predictions than biotech predictions), meh. Besides, this stuff is often oversimplified. Even with things more powerful than CRISPR, we'll need way, way more knowledge and tools to do the transformations you're talking about (like deleting sex drive whith zero negative effects and reversibly) because genes interfere with each other, they're a clusterfuck. I'm only 25 and even I am not counting on these things to unfold that fast; in fact I give myself about coin-flip odds of living to see the fireworks on 01-01-2101, which would be awesome btw.
johnnybegood 2017-04-17 08:50:20
Interesting theory. Personally, I think such a pill would be valuable, though the duration of the pill would be important. If it could reduce your drive for a day, or a week, it would have it's uses. For sure. Then again, sex drive itself is a great motivator for self-improvement. And helps in the charm department. Now, a 'hunger-replacing' pill would be much more ground-breaking. A couple years back I acquired major GERD (reflux) for about 8 months. For the first week it was strange - I had absolutely zero appetite/ hunger, at all. It wasn't a feeling of naseau, or fullness, or anything. It was simply complete absence of hunger. Complete absence. I didn't have 'aversion' to food -- something just obviously broke in my stomach. So I could eat, and enjoy it, albeit not as much, since I wasn't "craving it." But I could easily eat it, because I wasn't 'full' either. A weird limbo. What resulted? Well, believe it or not, I would work thru lunch. A LOT. Unwittingly. I wasn't trying to lose weight, at all. In fact, I thought it very important that I actively eat my normal caloric intake so as to not 'waste away.' But without hunger you simply ... forget to eat. You simply do not give a shit about food, at all. You might as well go to lunch to play a rousing game of Texas Hold'Em. Sure, that can be fun, but why? Fuck it. It was an interesting week. If they had that in pill form, I would take that pill all the time. Food is fun, but it's not a "daily fun" necessity in my mind. Of course, since I no longer have GERD and get hungry as usual, it's a daily necessity.
Alejando 2017-04-17 09:24:32
Yeah body needs suck. I wish we became cyborgs already.
Parade 2017-04-17 10:04:55
With question 2 I think you're misinterpreting it: you're assuming they took away fast roller coasters, but they didn't. They took away your desire for them. The roller coasters are still there. Same with sex. The pill isn't taking away your ability to have sex, but your desire to have it. It's like some food you don't care about. Take it or leave it. If you ever do decide 'I think I'll have sex today' you could still go out and do it, you just wouldn't have a drive/desire to do that.
Shayme 2017-04-17 11:22:04
How the heck is sex once a month normal for an average man? Sounds too low to be accurate, at least I hope so jeez. Currently have sex 4-7 times a week but this is a decrease compared to my early 30s. (37 now) I don't feel like I have a higher than normal sex drive though and it certainly doesn't take as much of my thoughts or activities as it used to. I've found the more I meditate and relax the less aggressive I am (goes for seeking sex as well) but the more in control I am if my emotions and less reactive. Bit if a catch 22. Maybe meditation could be the 'temporary pill' for the time being. I have heard people aren't having as much sex in general these days. Not good. Has anyone here tried meditation and has it affected your sex life at all, either the act itself or hunting for it?
Parade 2017-04-17 13:04:23
How the heck is sex once a month normal for an average man? Sounds too low to be accurate, at least I hope so jeez. Once a month sounds low, but that depends on the person. Personally I start to desire sex if I go without for 7-10 days, but I don't ever notice any problems if I go longer. If I have sex 3x(or more) per week, however, I do notice negatives and I start to get fed up with it and avoid it. I'm probably on the low end of typical, though I haven't seen any studies that say so.
Shayme 2017-04-17 14:36:34
Parade: what kind of negatives for you at 3x a week?
Blackdragon 2017-04-17 14:53:42
Just saying, not every futurist agrees that it’ll happen that fast, far from it.There's no way to pinpoint exactly when this stuff will happen, and I think arguing about an exact time frame is silly. I just know that A) it will happen and B) it will very likely happen in our lifetimes (unless you're already old). Exactly when it happens is just a minor detail to me.
Personally, I think such a pill would be valuable, though the duration of the pill would be important.Agree.
Now, a ‘hunger-replacing’ pill would be much more ground-breaking.That's coming too, probably much sooner than a sex pill.
Yeah body needs suck. I wish we became cyborgs already.We will. In your lifetime.
With question 2 I think you’re misinterpreting it: you’re assuming they took away fast roller coasters, but they didn’t. They took away your desire for them. The roller coasters are still there. Same with sex. The pill isn’t taking away your ability to have sex, but your desire to have it.Yes, that what I said.
How the heck is sex once a month normal for an average man? Sounds too low to be accurate, at least I hope so jeez.I forget what the average is, but you need to factor in: - All the millions of married guys who don't get laid very often. - All the millions of young men who aren't having much sex as compared to prior generations. - All the millions of men over age 40 whose testosterone levels and physical appearance have gone to shit, thus aren't having much sex. - All the anti-sex MGTOW's and other incels who have boycotted sex and are instead focusing on porn and video games.
Currently have sex 4-7 times a weekExactly, you're just thinking about you. Most normal men out there, particularly in the US, aren't getting laid very much. I know that sounds alien to guys like you and me, but it's true.
Has anyone here tried meditation and has it affected your sex life at all, either the act itself or hunting for it?I meditate semi-regularly (I need to more often; it's one of my goals) but I don't do it to suppress sexual desire, nor would I want to. I've noticed no difference in my sex drive if I do or don't mediate.
Parade 2017-04-17 15:48:22
Parade: what kind of negatives for you at 3x a week? First: time, having sex 3x per week takes a long ass time, time that I'd rather be spending on something else. Second: personality wise I start to get irritable and annoyed at everything, and when I think about having sex I just don't want to put in the effort. Third: I can handle having sex 3x or more per week for about a month, sometimes 2, and then I need to take a month or two break to recover from it. Think about what happens with anything that you enjoy in small doses but then force yourself to do more frequently. I'm sure BD would have issues if he decided to ride a big roller coaster for 3 hours a day every day of the week. Maybe it'd be great fun for a little while, but then a month or whatever goes by and you're going to see negatives from forcing yourself to do something at a greater frequency than you want to.
noob 2017-04-17 15:49:11
Some contradiction here you say having a high sex drive is a disadvantage vs low/normal sex drive and sometimes envious of those guys because you had to deal with it by learning game and managing a constant sex life. But then you go on saying how high sex drive give you all these positive masculine traits which help you immensly in life and overall happiness and would never want to lose those traits which probably allowed you to actually 'handle' that problem. Seems like having a high sex drive is clearly beneficial. So the question should be what if there was a magic pill that INCREASE instead of eliminating sex drive for all males?
Anon. 2017-04-17 15:58:11
Parade: what kind of negatives for you at 3x a week?Let me chime in as well: much of this is of course psychological. I enjoy sex the most when it's about twice per week. More often than that does not give me more satisfaction. During periods when I had sex every day, it was becoming somewhat of a chore, where my reward wasn't all that high while I felt compelled to work to make her cum. (For completeness sake, such periods involved sex with one woman only, e. g. trips together.) It's also rather hard to please me. "Blowing the load within seconds" never happens to me. Possibly a result of having watched too much porn.
Blackdragon 2017-04-17 17:56:35
Some contradiction here you say having a high sex drive is a disadvantage vs low/normal sex drive and sometimes envious of those guys because you had to deal with it by learning game and managing a constant sex life. But then you go on saying how high sex drive give you all these positive masculine traits which help you immensly in life and overall happiness and would never want to lose those traits which probably allowed you to actually ‘handle’ that problem.1. I didn't say my sex drive gave me "all" positive traits. I said it was linked to some. 2. I handled my high sex drive, yes, but many high sex drive men are not so lucky. I know lots of men with high sex drives who never get that problem handled and can never seem to manage it. They spend their lives cheating on women, lying to women, having drama, banging hookers, spending money on sex, getting in trouble, etc. 3. Having a high sex drive is a disadvantage because it does require overhead, time, effort, etc, to manage and handle, forever. That doesn't mean they're aren't benefits too though.
Seems like having a high sex drive is clearly beneficial.That's an oversimplification, for the reasons I just stated. There are pluses and minuses.
So the question should be what if there was a magic pill that INCREASE instead of eliminating sex drive for all males?You'll have that someday soon as well. I would recommend that pill only for the men I talked about in the article; men who have lower sex drives AND are experiencing other problems/unhappiness because of it, not men who have lower sex drives and are perfectly happy being that way.
KryptoKate 2017-04-17 17:59:59
It really is pointless to ask someone who has a desire for something whether they would take a pill to remove that desire. Because they can't relate to how it will feel to not have the desire until it is gone. At which time their opinion will be completely different. This becomes apparent to me when Gil says above, what if you could take a pill to remove your desire to have children and any good feelings about it? I am the equivalent of that because I have never once, not even for a second, in my life EVER felt a desire to having a kid, nor had any good feelings about it. And I can tell you exactly what it is like: you just walk around constantly confused and amazed at why the hell everyone else keeps doing this thing that obviously sucks and makes their life worse. But you certainly don't notice any lack in your life and you don't want to have the desire that makes everyone else do crazy things. The real question is whether people with no desire or need whatsoever for food or sex or sleep would want to take a pill to make them want those things. I don't know. I like sleeping and think it would be boring to be awake all the time with no asleep portion to break up the days. I also like eating, but I can imagine that if you were a being that could photosynthesize energy directly from the sun, then the idea of eating, i.e. chewing up and swallowing animal corpses, fungus, mold, and dead plants, and then evacuating the non-usable parts in a smelly mess, would seem absolutely insane and disgusting. But we all have the desire to eat, so it doesn't seem gross. Sex also generally seems disgusting to children before they hit puberty. Our thoughts follow our biological desire, they don't dictate it. So I guess what I'm saying here is that while current-you might think you would only take the temporary pill, after you took it, the non-sexual you might very well make sure that you never stop taking the pill, because it wouldn't want the desire back. Oh, and also, I'll back BD up on the horny old man thing. Those old bastards aren't any less interested, unfortunately. It would be nice if nature gave people declining desire to go along with declining capacity so they weren't bothered by it. Most of the times in my life I have been seriously inappropriately touched (like by a stranger on a subway or whatever) was by old men. I once had some old guy who must've been like 80 and in a wheelchair stick his hand right up my skirt and grab me like Donald Trump advocates. Blech! I had actually forgotten about that until typing this. I am counting on my sex drive vanishing at menopause when no one will want to have sex with me anyway, so I will consider that a blessing. Though my vanity will likely be a problem even if I no longer want sex. The pride and ego aspect and wanting others to find you attractive is sort of separate from the sex drive. So you'd need a pill to fix that too.
KryptoKate 2017-04-17 18:18:56
BTW, on the topic of pills that increase or decrease sex drive, they already exist. They just aren't marketed that way. But SSRIs will decrease your sex drive and generally make you more placid. Bupropion does the opposite and increases your sex drive and gives you more motivation and intensity in general (and also make you not want to eat). I took bupropion once for a few weeks and it multiplied my sex drive by like tenfold. Like not just quantity but I also started wanting to do all kinds of weird freaky things that I would never normally want to do. I would wake up coming in my sleep and then have to make myself come again to fall back asleep. It also made me VERY aggressive generally, and competitive feeling. Like for instance while driving I would be driving 30 mph over the speed limit, tailgating and screaming at the driver in front of me like a maniac. It just made me feel like a predator in general, sexually and otherwise. Every man I saw I started sizing up sexually. I stopped taking it because I was afraid I was going to literally pick a fight or get fired because I started being able to barely contain my urge to tell my boss to fuck off. I was just way too on edge. FWIW, I would have kept taking it if I could have kept the higher sex drive without the anger and aggression problems. Though it probably would have eventually gotten me into trouble sexually because I started wanting to do some extreme things that I really don't see the benefit to getting into. I ran some experiments by giving a few pills to guys to see if the results in sex drive and orgasm rate occurred with them as well, and it did. I have heard that bupropion can show a woman what it is like to be a man walking around all the time with so much aggression and sexual intent. And that SSRIs can make a man feel like a woman, though I wouldn't know because I've never taken an SSRI, it's just what I've heard reported from guys.
-Sam 2017-04-17 21:16:52
I'm with the other commenters. For someone who claims to be all about evidence, you seem to be ignoring a lot of important evidence about technological progress. Moores Law has decayed, The west (where all this technology would be invented is collapsing, and human biology is extremely complex and hard to modify.
Blackdragon 2017-04-17 22:20:17
I’m with the other commenters.What commenters? You mean commenter, singular; Gil Galad is the only commenter in this thread who has mentioned this.
For someone who claims to be all about evidence, you seem to be ignoring a lot of important evidence about technological progress. Moores Law has decayed, The west (where all this technology would be invented is collapsing, and human biology is extremely complex and hard to modify.Correct; does that mean this stuff is literally never going to happen in our lifetimes? That's all I'm saying.
roger 2017-04-18 00:00:34
I'm trying to limit my sex drive to once every two weeks, at the moment to focus more on some very short term missions. But it's not going well, I try not to look at anything remotely attractive, have limited my food intake. Also taken some other steps to help me focus & stay motivated. The slightest thought, or even a bit of cheese or fatty food can get me thinking naughty thoughts. Going to bed hungry helps immensely, I wake early and don't have any rockets on the launchpad.
Gil Galad 2017-04-18 04:48:38
I’m trying to limit my sex drive to once every two weeks, at the moment to focus more on some very short term missions.That's approximately my situation too. I'll be focusing much more on my woman life around 3 years from now, if things go according to plan. But there's no way I'm reducing my food intake. I agree that it can reduce sex drive, but I'd rather deal with my boners than have no boners, ugh. The other problem is that if you structure everything in your life to have a low sex drive, the day you'll want to get back in the game you'll look like garbage, unless you're a very lucky mesomorph. I would never allow myself to lose hard-earned muscle (it's already hard to keep it as it is with the difficulty to find time for training), and if that means a high protein diet that is probably making me even hornier, well tough shit.
For someone who claims to be all about evidence etcand
Correct; does that mean this stuff is literally never going to happen in our lifetimes? That’s all I’m saying.To be fair, I think this kind of claim is higher on the respectability scale than pure speculation: the evidence is in the form of trends, which may and may not continue exactly as projected. Safely modifying your genome at will to gain or remove all kinds of abilities, desires, bodily features etc could be doable in a couple decades, but I won't be surprised if it still isn't by the end of the century . But I agree that we're gonna be seeing many successive increments on the way to that - and the increments themselves may have life-extending effects that would allow us to see the next ones, so everything's possible.
cgd 2017-04-18 06:06:25
There is some severe cognitive dissonance occurring in this post and comment section. How is food and sex somewhat/sometimes a nuisance and yet work is not? This, along with the silly speculation of the future of science, make this a painful read. The bottom line is that all humans do 24/7/365 is try over and over again to satisfy desires. That's it. There is nothing else. And THIS WILL NEVER CHANGE, because it's the basis of the underlying evolutionary process that's occurring. Understand this and you'll save yourselves from inane conversations.
Roberto 2017-04-18 22:15:54
Interesting article, interesting questions. My first instinct is to say, no, I would not take such a pill. I have a higher than average sex drive, and I need (or want) a lot of sex, in terms of both frequency and variety. Although at the moment I have my sources of sex nicely lined up (an MLTR, two regular FBs, some occasional FBs, and ONSs when I feel like it), it does take some time and effort to keep it going smoothly, and the sex itself of course takes time that I could use for something else, as well as physical energy that I could conserve. But I consider the effort and time to be well spent, because I get an enormous amount of enjoyment and pleasure from sex, sometimes overwhelmingly so, and I can't imagine voluntarily being without it. But here's the thing – if I didn't want or need sex, then would I be any the poorer of I didn't have it? At one level, no, I wouldn't, and I could certainly use the extra time and energy for something else. But, on the other hand, I think pleasure and doing pleasurable and enjoyable things is good for you and improves your well-being and can give you extra energy. I think it's also true that sex give me a sense of self-worth, too. In addition, it is a way of relating to women and gives me a motive for staying in good shape, dressing well, and being socially tuned in. Having said all that, if there was a way of taking a pill that reduced my desire for sex for a set period, that might be different. Examples might be times when I'm exceptionally busy, when I'm travelling for work in a place where sex is not available or where having sex is not practicable, during a family crisis, and so on and so on. It could be great then to be able to "turn off" my need for sex for short periods. I guess only the experience would tell me if I'd want to "turn it on" again. I think I would though, because even if I had no desire for sex, I'd still have the memory of how much I enjoyed it, and of the other benefits.
Parade 2017-04-19 10:01:58
I dunno, I still kind of take issue with this formulation of the question...if you don't have the need to have sex you can still have sex. Let's say it's just as fun as it always was, but that 'I'm super horny and need to get laid' feeling is gone. Would the memory of that feeling be enough to make you want to keep it around? I can't really see wanting *more* of that, and to me, less would always be better -- it forces my hand when I might want to be doing something else. Or causes me to lower my standards. But maybe you're using sex drive as all desire for sex? (As opposed to biologically enforced desire, similar to how hunger is bilogically enforced) In which case, having lost it, I can see how you'd be hesitant to give it up. I'm still not really convinced by the arguments, though. Once you don't desire it, you don't desire it. I can't say that I have ever lost my desire for something and then later said 'man, I really wish I wanted (thing) again' For example, a while back I played wow. Then I lost interest in it. I have never once said 'I really wish I wanted to play wow again'. I may look at some experiences in the game fondly, but that's not about the desire to play it. I could still log in and play today if I cared to, but I don't.
everybodyhatesscott 2017-04-19 15:07:54
Now, a ‘hunger-replacing’ pill would be much more ground-breaking.That already exists. They're called amphetamines. Go to any Walgreens and pickup primatine tablets and you can completely eliminate your hunger. Blackdragon can respond 'I don't take drugs' but I think this post kinda refutes that. These drugs already exist, they just have a different stated goal . You want to kill your sex drive? SSRI's
Blackdragon 2017-04-19 15:28:29
Blackdragon can respond ‘I don’t take drugs’ but I think this post kinda refutes that.No it does not. I don't take drugs, period. This article is about a completely hypothetical fantasy scenario that doesn't exist. In a hypothetical fantasy scenario where Scarlett Johansson comes to my house, knocks on my door, and asks to have sex with me, I would fuck her. That doesn't mean that in real life I'm going to get on a plane tomorrow, fly to LA, and try to fuck Scarlett Johansson.
Lovergirl 2017-04-19 19:04:21
Men wanting sex with women is what makes the world go round. Taking a pill to stop that would stop all kinds of progress. Heck- I work with a gay guy and we are all so annoyed because he never helps with anything that straight guys do, lol. Like if he sees you carrying something heavy he doesn't even offer to help or open the door. I'm pretty sure it's because he has no motivation to do so. Men need that motivation to keep society running.
Parade 2017-04-19 20:33:41
he never helps with anything that straight guys do, lol. Like if he sees you carrying something heavy he doesn’t even offer to help or open the doorYeah, umm, I think you're in the wrong place for that. I wouldn't offer to help you unless I would offer to help a dude doing the same thing. Equal.
Lovergirl 2017-04-19 23:39:01
My point isn't something about what men should or shouldn't be doing- it's how normal heterosexual men act when there are women around to impress or help. It's all based on sex drive at some level- even if it's someone you know you probably wouldn't ever be having sex with (like at work). Men who don't have that drive, do less. They are less productive.
Parade 2017-04-19 23:54:56
You're defining productivity in terms of "willing to go out of their way to help you". That's not being productive.
roger 2017-04-20 02:43:38
I don't want to lose muscle (or brain power for that matter). I simply reduce my fat a little. And I'm not going to do this for more than 6 months - I'd never consider 3 years, unless perhaps I evolved beyond this human form. If men stopped having sex, the world would be in a better place - they would be focused on missions. Much conflict and descruction is the fault of sexual pursuit & wealth acquisition (to further sexual desirability). I think the lazy gays, that is more about them being closer to females - they don't want to do heavy lifting.
Marcus 2017-04-21 13:54:01
I take steroids for health and muscle building. The first cycle that I did was a long one - 16 weeks. I came off of it cold turkey. I screwed up my post cycle therapy (being an ignorant newbie). I was with a girlfriend at a Friday afternoon swinger/orgy party at a hotel. A couple of the women were very hot. One was a definite 10 and young, about 22 (I was in my late 40's). Being blessed with a very large sexual appendage, these women definitely wanted some of my action (and after my cycle I was muscular and cut). But my hormones had completely crashed by that time. For the very first time in my life, my dick was useless. I ended up the rest of the weekend curled up in bed in a fetal position cursing my fate. The subsequent weeks were even worse. My hormones were so out of whack that if the most beautiful woman walked naked down the street I literally would have no interest. In a way, I felt like what this article mentions. I had absolutely zero interest in sex. Watching the hottest porn in the world was literally boring to me. It was freeing in a way, but to be honest, it was very disturbing to me. I wanted to get my libido back and get it back pronto. So be careful what you wish for - it may not be all it is cracked up to be....
TomR 2017-04-22 02:47:35
The question in the title could give more valuable results, if retargetted. The readers of this blog are unlikely to be the biggest beneficiaries of such pill. By fare the biggest immedate benefits would go to all badboy-loving women, masochists, hybristofiliacs and alikes. Measured in extra health, less risk of injury and death, as well as more psychological taking control of their lives, getting of negative influence and so on. I guess even if the mainstream rejects the pill such groups are large enough for the manufacturer to make money for such products. Also such groups would give govermnents the reason to allow the pill on the market in the first place. The most transformative effect would be on young, intelligent people. Like teenagers to early 20s. People on the paths to greatness, for whom a strong attack of hormones at that age is a big distraction from such paths. The effects of hormones are a big msifit here: they are in good schools, advancing in heavily-intellectual matters, and suddenly this hormonal assault sways them towards primitive things like obsesively thinking about inserting a penis in a vagina. In case of young people all the arguments of less life energy make no sense, as they have high energy naturally. I can even think of an example where the sex hormones lower chances fo success by initiating inhibitions - it's in a link below. http://evoandproud.blogspot.com/2015/10/the-adaptive-value-of-aw-shucks.html
Blackdragon 2017-04-22 12:04:44
The question in the title could give more valuable results, if retargetted. The readers of this blog are unlikely to be the biggest beneficiaries of such pill. By fare the biggest immedate benefits would go to all badboy-loving women, masochists, hybristofiliacs and alikes.Yeah, that brings up the scary concept of government forcing these kinds of medications on criminals or undesirables, the same way they forced chemical castration treatments on gay people back in the day.
Gil Galad 2017-04-22 13:38:43
Chemical castration of men is something that is largely underway atm. To me the remaining question is to what extent this is by design and to what extent it's just a byproduct. As usual I'm not a fan of conspirationism, but I've read suggestions that some types of cereals where put on the market by people who specifically thought that men's testosterone "needed to be lowered". Other than that there's been a lot of phytoestrogens and xenoestrogens in our environment in the past decades, lowering men's T and increasing the incidence of births with indeterminate genitals, that kind of thing. At least that's the theory. As an aside BD, can you write an article on how to raise kids in the specific context of a highly left-wing, highly gynocentric world (I read The Unchained Man, I'd still like more details) ? The type of world where it's pretty much a guarantee that the system (through school, acquaintances etc) is gonna have a strong hold on your kids' upbringing but where you still want some chances of raising them as sane people, without resorting to extreme Alpha 1.0 methods, or to extreme reverse psychology like JOTB plans to.
TomR 2017-04-23 06:14:18
@Gil Galad - beer is a source for powerful estrogens. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlceZOBjnHk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=thnZMpS8ELA
Blackdragon 2017-04-23 13:01:46
As an aside BD, can you write an article on how to raise kids in the specific context of a highly left-wing, highly gynocentric world (I read The Unchained Man, I’d still like more details) ? The type of world where it’s pretty much a guarantee that the system (through school, acquaintances etc) is gonna have a strong hold on your kids’ upbringing but where you still want some chances of raising them as sane people, without resorting to extreme Alpha 1.0 methods, or to extreme reverse psychology like JOTB plans to.No. There is no answer to your question other than homeschooling, which most men (and women) won't do (too much work, not all parents make good teachers, etc). As I've said many times, the window for having healthy children is long past decades ago; today it's simply a number of choices for raising kids that are all degrees of bad.
Gil Galad 2017-04-23 13:16:30
Too bad. I'll probably have to pass then, or give in against my better judgement (while hopefully taking the 2.0 precautions) and endure my own I-told-you-so later.
Gil Galad 2017-04-23 16:49:13
@TomR: good to know. I hardly ever drink fortunately. I've briefly considered wine for the resveratrol, but the substance is becoming affordable as a pure supplement. The way I see it, anyone who currently isn't used to drinking really shouldn't start, because 1° there are of course all the drawbacks and 2° pretty much any benefit other than drunkenness itself is now available in supplements.
2017FreedomRelationshipsFun 2017-04-26 18:52:50
No. I would not take that pill.