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More Scientific Data – Women More Unhappy Than Men
I love it when science continues to back up what I say. It’s fun. I have explained many times in books and blogs that women don’t want to be long-term happy like most men do. Rather, women desire to experience a range of emotions, both good ones and bad ones. Being happy literally every day would eventually get boring to a woman, so a woman in that condition will eventually do something to screw up her life so she can complain about it, thus experience the emotional range female psychology craves.
-By Caleb Jones
I have to be fair and state that not all men are like this. There are plenty of high-drama Alpha Male 1.0’s and a few miserable betas who actually enjoy regular unhappiness mixed with some happiness (look at the charts here), or even being in long states of unhappiness. Hardcore MGTOW’s, angry alt-right ragers, and perpetually angry far-left political guys are examples of this. But I am saying that most men do indeed desire to be happy and to minimize unhappiness at all times (even if they're too scared to achieve that state, which is the problem with beta males), whereas the percentage of women like this is essentially zero.
A recent study from the UK showed that, I shit you not, women are more miserable than men for almost their entire lives and are happier only in… get ready for it… their mid-80’s. Yep. That’s only what I’ve been saying forever. Of course women are less happy than men. Women don’t want to be happy (at least not in the long-term).The article is here, but here are a few notable quotes.
The number of Britons reporting consistent unhappiness is on the rise, with women more likely to report severe issues at every age, the Health Survey for England found. Every age. Yep. Not just older women, not just younger women, but women at every age. Twenty eight percent of women aged 16-24 have mental health problems bad enough to count as a disorder, reports the Times. This is almost twice as many as men in the same age bracket, the survey of 8,000 people found.
Read that again. 28% of younger women in the UK are literally mentally ill. And that’s double the amount of men the same age. I’m quite sure you’d see comparable numbers in the USA and Canada as well. (If anything, the American figures would likely be worse.) Older women aren’t doing any better: As they enter middle age, 24 per cent of women - almost a quarter of 45 to 54-year-olds - are classifiable as mentally ill.
Yep, though I would like to see the stats on women in their 30’s. As I’ve said many times, the 30’s is the most unhappy decade for women. I’m confident if they did a study on women’s level of unhappiness and broke it out by decade, all decades would be unhappy, but 20’s would be the least unhappy and 30’s would be the most miserable. The traditional, conservative, manosphere response to this is, “Rrraahh!!! This is all because of feminism!!! Before feminism, back in the 1950’s, women were happy! We just need to go back to that and then everything will be fine!!!”
It’s quite true that there is empirical data that shows women were less unhappy in the 1950’s and prior, before feminism. However, conservatives often mix the word “happy” with “less unhappy.” Those are two different things. Based on the data I’ve read, I don’t see any indication that women were “happy” in the 1950’s as housewife-slaves. Yes, they were less unhappy than they are now in our new left-wing, empowered-woman, single-mother, welfare-state world, that’s very true. But less unhappy doesn’t mean happy. It just means less miserable. I’m quite confident married women in the 1950’s weren’t “happy” either.
Let’s see if the science agrees with me. To quote again from the study in the article: married women are often more likely to develop depression HA HA! Exactly. No, my conservative right-wing traditionalist friends, traditional marriage doesn't make women happy. It might make you happy, but it won't make her happy.
What have I been saying for almost ten years? Women love getting married, women hate being married. Getting married is the greatest day of a woman’s life, literally. Being married (particularly the traditional monogamous type), once the honeymoon period dies down, is a long, boring slog of work and massive sacrifice. Women HATE being married.
Women initiate 70-80% of divorces, folks. Clearly women don’t like marriage, and clearly marriage doesn’t make women happy. Because women don’t want to be happy. And that's my entire point. There is no “answer” to this, at least not on any global and societal level. Women don’t want to be long-term happy. It’s just not how they’re wired. It’s no one’s fault, it’s just the way it is. It’s true that you can organize society in a way that makes this slightly less bad, but you'll never make women happy, for example… In total, almost one in five adults were found to have a mental illness, up by 25 per cent in the past four years.
Yep. The Western world is collapsing, and this is yet another sign. Since 2012, I’ve been saying that European and American voters have literally lost their minds, and the science now shows this. Almost one in five adults are mentally ill, and gentlemen, these people are voting in your elections and reproducing. Even if you ended all immigration tomorrow (which won’t happen), this all spells collapse for the West, as I’ve been saying for a long time. Ten years from now, there will be even more mentally ill people in the West. And ten years after that. And after that. Women in the West will grow even more unhappy and men will have to deal with it…
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Alex C 2018-01-11 05:24:32
Very interesting! I've noticed that generally women are very impulsive and short-term focused, but I think the more intelligent ones are fully aware of the long-term consequences of their actions (i.e marriage), but they are absolutely terrified to do anything different. I think their fear of being judged by their social group is so powerful that they will do anything to avoid damaging their reputation. So I'm thinking they do want to be long-term happy, but realistically they want to be seen as "normal" and "socially acceptable" more so than they value happiness. Similar to Alpha 1.0's in the sense that they value control more so than they value happiness.
JohnnySixpack 2018-01-11 05:28:37
Again, BD—you are able to be that extra bit of energy which allows the unorganized thoughts and feelings to crystallize into a very workable “theory of everything” when it comes to women, relationships and long-term happiness for a man. I’ve repeated the “women are comfortable being uncomfortable” line like a mantra when things go to hell for absolutely no reason. It’s quite helpful for reminding yourself that “it’s not your fault” when a girl goes into drama mode. I stumble on my path, but am measurably happier in all aspects of my life since divorce, finding your (and others’ blogs), reading your books, and throwing off the SP that artificially chains us down. The one thing I’m still really on the fence about is the idea that punching out and landing in some Asian country is the way to go. Do you have any “Plan B” moves or ideas about remaining somewhere in the continental US, maximizing the benefits of some aspects of the crumbling (but still workable) infrastructure and people, but minimizing exposure to the insanity and rapacious tax policies/welfare state depredation. Executive Summary: How does a man with a much longer time-horizon (ie has younger children) implement a strategy to “shelter in place” if expatriation isn’t an option.
SmileV 2018-01-11 05:39:12
Interesting read, which is completely true. Women love emotions, its in their nature. However, what is the point of this blog? Are you implying that pair-bonding will make you less happy, since you are with someone who likes to sabotage their happiness and create drama? Or any serious relationship, for that matter? You mentioned you are getting married to Pink Firefly. I know its an open marriage, but... if she will hate it in the long-term (accompanied by the knowledge you are banging chicks on the side, which might make it even worse), then why? Won't that affect you? Doesn't sound like a smart decision at all...
Drack 2018-01-11 05:45:08
I don't get it. I've been married for 18 years, and she's always been more or less happy with the situation. Three kids later, she still weighs 120 pounds and sex is 3-4 times a week. Still clingy like when we were dating. Is this article a little off, or do I just have a unicorn?
CSR 2018-01-11 06:11:20
It's not that women are not happy "being" married as is. It's that, let's not forget that, 80% of men are basically unattractive. But it gets worse: many women nowadays "settle" well into their 30s or even close to their 40s when they've clearly hit the wall. That means they have to get a subpar man compared to what they could have got when they were between 25-30 *. No wonder they feel frustrated. It's of course very true that women feel at home in the emotional rollercoaster. I'm not denying that. * There are exceptions to this rule, of course. But unless that particular woman is exceptionally pretty (very good genetics) and takes care of herlself (gym, diet) it's impossible for her to achieve the same quality guys at 35 than 10 years before. Age is key.
MoChnk 2018-01-11 06:14:59
Great post, BD! The question is: why are women designed by Mother Nature to be this way? Why can't they be happy long-term? Maybe it's because women's unhappiness drives evolution. They are never completely satisfied and thus will continually raise the bar for men. In a very simplified way, let's say she wants a guy with a Mercedes. But when all guys have a Mercedes, she wants a guy with a Lamborghini. If all guys drive a Lamborghini, she wants a guy with a helicopter. And if everyone had a chopper, she would want a spaceship, and so on. They always demand new adaptations. Men then adapt and the species evolves. Or maybe nature had to find a way to make women enjoy the process of raising kids. Children will bring you both joy and frustration and in order to stick around as a parent, you have to enjoy it and not drop out when it gets frustrating. I mean, we don't have sex because we think that we should procreate, but simply because it's fun. Mother Nature coupled these necessities with pleasant feelings so we would engage in them. So, maybe women evolved to find pleasure in these ups and downs of raising children because that's the only way they wouldn't abandon their kids.
However, what is the point of this blog?This post is another argument for the philosophy of this blog. BD is telling the Manosphere that going back to the 1950's isn't the solution but rather wrong irrational Guy-Disney wishful thinking. BD says that women are constantly changing so the only way to be consistently happy as a man is to accept that they won't stick around forever but will leave you eventually (and come back if you do everything right --> LSNFTE)
Oden 2018-01-11 06:24:46
Women love gettingmarried, women hate being married.BD is providing that to PF. This whole blog is a solution to biggest problem with monogamous marriage.
Ash (Dames That Know) 2018-01-11 08:13:58
Based on the data I’ve read, I don’t see any indication that women were “happy” in the 1950’s as housewife-slavesI never thought so either. My belief is that they were maybe less unhappy because they were less aware. Basically, they were young, dumb, and didn't know any better. I can see how that would make lower quality men in the 50s considerably happier.
TarzanWannaBe 2018-01-11 08:22:48
"Women aren't happy until they're unhappy and surrounded by drama." - Sandman
FiveSix 2018-01-11 08:23:14
@SmileV LOL! Are you serious?!
Diggy 2018-01-11 08:53:23
You mentioned you are getting married to Pink Firefly. I know its an open marriage, but…Wait, what?!? I skimmed over the PF stuff cause its not what I came to this blog for. Is this a fact BD? Like Gov't papers and all?
UK_Player 2018-01-11 10:16:37
BD why do you think 30s would be most miserable decade for women? they start loosing their looks, have to raise young children, divorce ? or if they are not married with kids and their friends are, they get depressed . That's my thinking.
hilsey 2018-01-11 11:06:20
I agree with Alex C. Adding to that being miserable is "cool" and complaining is just how women socialize these days. Some women know they're capable of being less miserable but they want to stay connected to something/someones, so they are keen to what's going wrong instead of what's right. What will they talk to their friends/co-workers/family/social media about? I had to make the conscious choice to break away from certain things/people to improve my emotional and mental state as a woman. It's a lonely road to happiness sometimes.
SmileV 2018-01-11 11:06:40
@FiveSix Please elaborate.
Blackdragon 2018-01-11 11:31:31
How does a man with a much longer time-horizon (ie has younger children) implement a strategy to “shelter in place” if expatriation isn’t an option.Read my book and do what it says. Detach from the system. Moving out of the country is not required for the Alpha 2.0; just hit level one here.
Are you implying that pair-bonding will make you less happy, since you are with someone who likes to sabotage their happiness and create drama? Or any serious relationship, for that matter?Of course not. I'm pro-relationships with women, obviously. I, ahem, write books about it and have an entire blog about it. Relationships with women make a man happy provided the man manages them correctly. The problem is few men do that. Men have no idea what they're doing with women in relationships, Alpha's and PUA's included.
You mentioned you are getting married to Pink Firefly. I know its an open marriage, but… if she will hate it in the long-term (accompanied by the knowledge you are banging chicks on the side, which might make it even worse), then why? Won’t that affect you? Doesn’t sound like a smart decision at all…You're mixing up "unhappy" with "hate." Those are two very different things. PF is a woman, so she will be happy sometimes and unhappy others, regardless of what I do or don't do. I can minimize her unhappiness through frame and proper relationship management skill, but I can never cure it. But that doesn't mean she'll "hate our marriage." If I thought she would do that down the road she would have never qualified for OLTR in the first place. My next Pink Firefly post goes up on Monday, where I actually break out the odds of the marriage lasting, and how long. I'll discuss PF topics then.
I don’t get it. I’ve been married for 18 years, and she’s always been more or less happy with the situation. Three kids later, she still weighs 120 pounds and sex is 3-4 times a week. Still clingy like when we were dating. Is this article a little off, or do I just have a unicorn?Read objection #39 here.
The question is: why are women designed by Mother Nature to be this way? Why can’t they be happy long-term?I'm not qualified to answer that question. I just know what is. The why is more complicated (and often, less relevant).
Wait, what?!? I skimmed over the PF stuff cause its not what I came to this blog for. Is this a fact BD? Like Gov’t papers and all?I addressed that here.
why do you think 30s would be most miserable decade for women? they start loosing their looks, have to raise young children, divorce ? or if they are not married with kids and their friends are, they get depressed1. First signs of aging, which pisses them off. 2. Long track record of failed relationships with men (and not just sexual/romantic ones) which pisses them off. 3. Kids. Which pisses them off. 4. Financial pressures are hardest on women in their 30's because of older children and debt, which pisses them off. 5. Provider hunter desires much higher in 30's than 20's, which makes dating much harder for them. 6. They start getting passed over for younger women for the first time in their lives, which makes them sad and/or angry (women in their 40's+ are accustomed to this, but it's "new" for women in their 30's). 7. I think (just a theory) that something biological occurs in a woman's body/brain in her early 30's that contributes to her viewing sex, men, and life a little differently; I don't think it's 100% societal (again, just at theory). The fact it's so often pinpointed at age 33 indicates perhaps something biological at work (at least in my opinion). 8. Weight gain, particularly with American women. 9. Sexual frustration; their sex drive is at an all-time high while thinking that sex is bad or risky unless it's in or leading to a serious relationship. Not a good place to be.
being miserable is “cool” and complaining is just how women socialize these days. Some women know they’re capable of being less miserable but they want to stay connected to something/someones, so they are keen to what’s going wrong instead of what’s right. What will they talk to their friends/co-workers/family/social media about?That's correct, and a key factor in all of this.
RandomJin 2018-01-11 12:05:42
If women want a range of emotions, why would they ever choose an Alpha 2.0 over a 1.0? The Alpha 2.0 structure is all about low-drama. Comparing that to the Alpha 1.0 relationship model, which has a lot of ups and downs. So in a 1.0 relationship, she gets what she craves - a range of emotions.
Cronos 2018-01-11 15:34:59
Almost one in five adults are mentally illThat seems exaggerate to me. Instead of concluding that the mental health of the average person is deteriorating, I would say the number is so high because now doctors include stuf like "depression" and "anxiety" in the list of mental illness, which were not considered such a big deal before.
Lovergirl 2018-01-11 15:42:55
I don’t know- men are often irritable and grouchy all the time, especially the older they get. I feel pretty happy most of the time. Once a month for a couple of days I’m less so, but that’s about it. The women I’m around the most seem mostly happy too, though occasionally we need a good venting session or a cry, that doesn’t mean that overall we aren’t happy. Maybe I just pick friends who are fun to be around though lol. The only other female manager and I in our office full of men are always laughing about things and I don’t see near as much of that out of the guys. Granted on the other side of the building there is a group of perpetually miserable seeming women. Im not sure that mental illness directly correlates to unhappiness either. My schizophrenic child may be a bit weird but he’s not really unhappy seeming if you just let him do his thing.
Anon 2018-01-11 18:46:08
Adding to that being miserable is “cool” and complaining is just how women socialize these days.A girl told me about her friend that was extremely supportive when the girl was miserable, but now that the girl is with me and is much more happy, the friend can't stand it, the resentment is visible. This seems a common trend. Can I, and should I, do anything about it?
Roberto 2018-01-11 21:57:51
That seems exaggerate to me. Instead of concluding that the mental health of the average person is deteriorating, I would say the number is so high because now doctors include stuf like “depression” and “anxiety” in the list of mental illness, which were not considered such a big deal before.I think there is something in this. Clearly it is reasonable to include life-altering depression and anxiety as mental illnesses, but often being "a bit down" or "a bit stressed" are counted as mental illnesses, even if they're very mild, in response to something appropriately depressing or stressful, and very temporary. Part of the problem for the medical profession is determining which people fall into what category, of course.
Roberto 2018-01-11 22:01:20
I don’t know- men are often irritable and grouchy all the time, especially the older they get.Maybe too men and women demonstrate unhappiness in different ways. Men are often said to exhibit unhappiness by becoming aggressive or irritable. Or perhaps it would be truer to say simply that different people show their feelings in different ways, with a preponderance of manifestations in one sex or the other.
david 2018-01-11 22:45:57
While this does answer a lot of questions about pretty much every woman in my life... us men are the ones who are more likely to murder, commit suicide, and be involved with violence. Perhaps that has nothing to do with unhappiness. Regardless, it seems like an even trade. We both have our faults. All this utopian society and pop movie crap has tricked us. Human beings are not inherently good. We're animals. Even scientists classify us as such. And that's okay. As long as we govern ourselves with our weakness in mind, and don't expect people to be perfect. (Although it's hard to convince a woman of that. They certainly love their rom coms with happy endings.)
Tom 2018-01-11 23:11:55
Hypergamy drives evolution, CORRECT. cost of living gradually increases because men want to get laid, they have to create more and more things. therefore, women are gatekeeper of sex, men are gatekeeper of commitment. women are the selectors of who they're going to propogate future genes, even though pua/relationship management seems like men are the selector, in fact it's NOT.
Steve 2018-01-12 01:07:52
Here's my take and I think it will cover alot: Guys:I want money [no girl required] and sex [girl A-Z]. Girls:I want active lifestyle, constant traveling, tattoos and fun. [guy A goes out constantly, drinking, or doing whatever spending every last cent weekly] Later in her life, I want money. Big home, brand new huge SUV, newest electronics yearly. [guy M stays in office, jobs all hours. no energy left to be life of party at the bars nightly get drunk or high] I miss a high energy lifestyle, planes trips year round, fun with popping new outfits. [guy A] Then it's back to I want money. [guy M] But I want a traveling lifestyle where I do fun stuff always geared up with the latest outfits, styles and looks. [guy A] Problem is she will always want multiple guys to meet her wants.
K 2018-01-12 01:11:18
"Four main factors, it seems: gender, personality, external circumstances and age. Women, by and large, are slightly happier than men. But they are also more susceptible to depression: a fifth to a quarter of women experience depression at some point in their lives, compared with around a tenth of men. Which suggests either that women are more likely to experience more extreme emotions, or that a few women are more miserable than men, while most are more cheerful."http://www.economist.com/node/17722567 I don't know about all these self-perception statistics. The fact of my individual life is that I was strained and miserable throughout my twenties and now in my early thirties, having finally got my finances and love life somewhat in order, I am more consistently happy than ever before.
Alexandra 2018-01-12 01:27:22
Good post. Sad but true. I have definitely seen some of my female friends and coworkers often unhappy because they are stressed or upset about something, usually to do with their relationships or their financial situation. What is really sad in my opinion, is that the things that are making them upset/stressed can usually be mitigated or avoided but they aren't choosing to do anything about them. I also know plenty of men in this type of situation, but that's a different subject. I don't think women dislike being happy. I think we simply hate being bored, so much so that we would prefer conflict over boredom. I remember when I moved in with my ex-boyfriend, I would sometimes pick a fight over something stupid instead of sitting down and watching TV with him for yet another evening in a row. I don't do that with any guy I'm currently seeing. There's always something exciting going on in my life now since I've started seeing multiple guys, hanging out with my girlfriends more, and travelling more often. I'm 27 and truly happy most of the time. My friends (and one of the guys I'm seeing) have actually called me "emotionless" because I almost never get upset or cry. I highly doubt that will change when I enter my 30s because a) I enjoy dating multiple guys and am not concerned about finding a "soul mate" b) I like my job and make more than enough money to support myself and my hobbies and travels, c) I don't intend to have kids ever, d) I have plenty of friends, and e) I'm more slim and fit than most women my age (same weight since high school) and don't have body image/weight issues. So it is possible to be female and happy....as long as you don't take the usual path of finding a "good guy" to marry, having kids with said guy, raising those annoying kids all while struggling to making ends meet, having little leisure time and being bored with that guy but not having sex with anyone else. Yuck. Definitely not for me.
Franklin 2018-01-12 06:02:58
Men are able to (at least temporarily) ignore stressors better than women. Sometimes this involves simply thinking about nothing. Women don't seem capable of doing that. Sucks for them.
Anonymous 2018-01-12 11:36:14
This topic also happens to be #2 of the list of the Emotional Needs of Women by dating coach Frank Kermit. http://mensdatingmastery.com/frankkermit1/ 2 – Emotional Range: Women tend to have greater emotional sophistication than men and are therefore able to handle them better. Experiencing a range of emotions, is what allows a woman to feel alive. Another word for emotional range is drama. How wide of an emotional range she needs to experience and whether it is healthy will vary from woman to woman. For a man to manage a relationship, he should first determine how much of an emotional range he can handle and then seek out a woman who gives him that level of emotional range or lower.
POB 2018-01-12 12:14:48
Some key social factors that add to women's unhappiness: 1) too much free time and no purpose. My mom had to take care of 3 kids, the house and still managed to work 6-8 hours a day (pre-internet and cell phones). Good or bad she had a clear purpose. Women today have a bunch of free time, including the ones who have kids (just go out there and check their Instagram feeds, if that's not free time I don't know what it is). 2) more pressure at work. Forget the feminist crap who says women are underprivileged at work. They are getting the same amount of pressure men always got for years, and they're still not used to it. 3) empowerment. Oh my...who said chicks need to be in control of everything? Most women just want to chill, be feminine and let the man take charge of things who are more suitable to...men. 4) laziness. Millennials in general are more prone to this, but men at least have to carry a social burden if they don't get out of their parents house after a certain age. Women have the law, the government, the prospect of marriage with a rich dude and almost all society behind them, even if they're heavily under-performing in their lives. We men don't have that luxury.
Blackdragon 2018-01-12 12:28:05
I don’t think women dislike being happy. I think we simply hate being bored, so much so that we would prefer conflict over boredom.Same thing.
joelsuf 2018-01-13 00:34:07
Women in the West will grow even more unhappy and men will have to deal with it…When that happens, I'm predicting that birth rates will slow to a crawl, and the suicide rate for men to skyrocket. Death rates might go up probably 300% over the course of only a few years. We're talking one in three men over 16 will begin offing themselves pretty soon (right now I think its 1 in 20 or something)... all because people still make the very stupid decision to seek external solutions for every little thing. Collectivism will literally kill us all, and the assholes behind all of these movements know it.
Duke 2018-01-13 07:45:55
Women's happiness. Lol. The whole world runs on trying to make women happy in one way or another. More so in the West of course. Knowing they don't want to be happy puts a guy way ahead of the pack. Think of all the mental energy, physical effort and resources that are saved by this realization. Truly mind boggling.
Berti 2018-01-13 08:55:03
Men are more responsible by nature while women are actually like little kids, whining and bitching if they don't have their way and refusing any kind of responsibility. No wonder they get bored easily and aren't happy. They need attention, fun, action blah blah up to the point where it gets exhausting. I guess that's why I will never have a real discussion with a woman about topics that I like to talk about, the majority of women are just not able doing it. I don't give a damn whether women are happy or not anyway. Women like to live through social media these days to get validation and fight boreness, posting boring pics on their vacations, food and stupid selfies. Being a father of a girl must be hell for most men these days knowing that their daughters are seeking for any kind of validation in public. lol
Parade 2018-01-13 10:41:57
Same thing.Not the OP, but also not the same thing at all. Alexandra’s formulation leaves the possibility that you can prevent drama as a guy by keeping things otherwise interesting. If women seek unhappiness because they want to experience it, there’s nothing you can do to avoid the drama. I lean more towards there’s nothing you can do.
JJ 2018-01-13 10:49:33
I would not say that women 'enjoy' negative emotions. It's hard for men to understand because we don't experience it but women have 2 primary sexual imperatives compared to our one. This emotionally pulls them from left to right. They also experience a monthly cycle which we don't. This pulls them back and forth. Men, emotionally speaking therefore go in a straight line. This does not make us emotionally retarded, it just means we have nothing to pull us left or right or up or down. Women are pulled both left and right and up and down. In terms of them 'enjoying drama', that's a subset of narcissism which is at the core of female sexuality. Women only 'enjoy drama' when it makes them the centre of attention. If you think I am having a go at women here then I am not. Narcissism's position at the core of female sexuality is due to the one and only male sexual imperative. Take a look at the feedback loop of endless loop of women complaining about 'toxic masculinity' followed by the narrative of how brave women are which then amplifies itself to lead to more complaining, Hollywood campaigning, badge and black dress wearing etc. It's nothing more than the demonisation of men (which is, of course, sexist) and the demonisation of the male imperative and the promotion of the female imperatives and a pandering to female narcissism.
Jack Outside the Box 2018-01-13 12:15:40
3) empowerment. Oh my…who said chicks need to be in control of everything? Most women just want to chill, be feminine and let the man take charge of things who are more suitable to…men.You are advocating for female supremacy, female privilege, and male slavery. I'm a fan of equality. No adult should be taking care of another adult. Women should be forced to endure all the pain and hardship of the workplace that men have always had to. I've always said that equality is a major step down for women, but it's a step down that must take place for two reasons: 1. Many of us men refuse to be taken advantage of. Women have two hands, two legs, and a brain. They must make their own way in life without parasiting off of us and our resources. We will not be their slaves any longer. If YOU want to be a slave to a woman, that's your business. But don't try to spoil the rest of them for us. You're encouraging their narcissism by speaking this way. 2. The only way a sexually liberated society can work is if women's sex drives are completely decoupled from their economic needs. If a woman's sex drive is chained to her need for money, she'll start looking for a husband at age 18 to avoid starving to death. Sexual liberation (which we advocate here) would be impossible without a gender neutral economy. I want women choosing the hot guy instead of the ugly rich guy. Don't compromise their sex drives with money bullshit! Again, if YOU want to be with a gold digger, that's your business, but don't try to turn all of them into gold diggers who suppress their sex drive for money. That's the opposite of a sexually free society!
joelsuf 2018-01-13 12:41:57
I’m a fan of equality.I believe we might have had this discussion before JOTB, but like "truth," "equality" does not exist. "Truth" is just a set of observations that a majority group have agreed on. "Equality" means different things to different people at different points in history. What is "equality" now was not "equality" a quarter century ago and will not be "equality" a quarter century from now. As long as you have different groups of different people with different values, There won't ever be such a thing as equality. When progressives vouch for it, they want white men to be just as inconvenienced as women and nonwhites appear to be. When Tradcons vouch for it, they want it to be legal for them to beat their wives and stuff. "3) empowerment. Oh my…who said chicks need to be in control of everything? Most women just want to chill, be feminine and let the man take charge of things who are more suitable to…men." I agree. Women have become less happy because of the perversion of women's movements. Because now women do not only have the pressures of a woman's role, they also have the pressures of a man's role in society as well. Current women's movements have also dictated that men should have to face the same pressures of society that women face. However, they deal with this kind of stuff way better than most men. This is why I argue that women's movements want two things: 1) Swap out patriarchal power structures for matriarchal ones, and 2) Lower populations with their own brand of eugenics. Yes, I am predicting that sometime in the future, we will see eugenics practices again. Rollo Tomassi is spot on with his "feminine imperative" argument.
Jack Outside the Box 2018-01-13 13:09:08
I believe we might have had this discussion before JOTB, but like “truth,” “equality” does not exist.Truth absolutely does exist. Moral relativism leads to the gas chamber. When I said I'm a fan of "equality," I meant equal treatment under the law, and in the professional sphere, for all adults, and then let the chips fall where they may. I certainly didn't mean equality of outcome, result, or condition.
“Truth” is just a set of observations that a majority group have agreed on.Horseshit! O'Brian: How many fingers am I holding up, Winston? Winston: Four. O'Brian: And if the Party agrees that there are five, now how many?......The law of gravity is nonsense. If you say I float, and I say I float, and no one contradicts us, then I float." Winston: There is truth and there is untruth. Freedom is the ability to say that 2+2=4 without penalty. Once that is granted, all else must logically follow. Moral relativism leads to the gas chamber!
“Equality” means different things to different people at different points in history. What is “equality” now was not “equality” a quarter century ago and will not be “equality” a quarter century from now.Equality is simply equal treatment under the law, equal rights, and equal privileges within the legal, political, academic, and economic sphere. This includes equality of opportunity. Social justice warriors want equality of outcome, based on a false belief in an equality of condition. The only way to achieve equality of outcome is by taking away the freedom of individuals to make their own choices, which will be radically different from the choices of other people. But full equality of opportunity (which I support) will lead to a radical inequality of outcomes, due to people's different decisions.
As long as you have different groups of different people with different values, There won’t ever be such a thing as equality.Not of outcome. But I never advocated that. I'm talking about equal treatment and an expectation of equal effort. If a woman starves to death because she can't make it at work, so be it. But you should expect her to make an equal effort. No adult should take care of another adult.
When progressives vouch for it, they want white men to be just as inconvenienced as women and nonwhites appear to be.Because they want equality of outcome, which can only be achieved by eliminating equality of choice and opportunity and discriminating against the smart.
When Tradcons vouch for it, they want it to be legal for them to beat their wives and stuff.Tradcons don't want equality of opportunity for women, while I do.
I agree. Women have become less happy because of the perversion of women’s movements. Because now women do not only have the pressures of a woman’s role, they also have the pressures of a man’s role in society as well. Current women’s movements have also dictated that men should have to face the same pressures of society that women face. However, they deal with this kind of stuff way better than most men.We can talk about gender roles within the personal/social sphere. But as I said, equal treatment must be given within the professional sphere. Because if women's sexual urges aren't completely divested from their financial needs, you can kiss sexual liberation goodbye.
This is why I argue that women’s movements want two things: 1) Swap out patriarchal power structures for matriarchal ones,Yes, feminism today is about female supremacy, not equality. Which is why I oppose feminism.
and 2) Lower populations with their own brand of eugenics. Yes, I am predicting that sometime in the future, we will see eugenics practices again. Rollo Tomassi is spot on with his “feminine imperative” argument.Agreed. That's why feminism and social justice must be opposed. They wish to create equality of outcome by destroying equality of opportunity via discriminating against whites and men on the basis of their genetic characteristics. This must be stopped.
normalization of ignorance 2018-01-13 13:42:38
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TheRealCurtis 2018-01-13 13:48:28
This article would explain why it seems most women put a higher value on being monogomous or married over happiness. They assume that this will solve everything. What are some ways that us guys can say or do to help women realize that non-mono or soft-mono lifestyle can still be good, happy, fulfilled, content, loving and fun WITHOUT using man logic? (If that is even possible) I'm trying to educate my daughter about this too because her mom is extreme Disney and daughter 12 so it seems all she thinks about is getting married now.
Alexander Becker 2018-01-13 14:07:07
Its kind of normal, so why worry?
jack 2018-01-14 09:39:45
I followed the links back to the original article, at no point could I find any information about how the NHS got the data to support their claims other than a "survey". That's fine for the unhappiness reports, but I want to know how they determined the people's mental health.
catmousesnake 2018-01-15 01:07:31
Yep, though I would like to see the stats on women in their 30’s. As I’ve said many times, the 30’s is the most unhappy decade for women. I’m confident if they did a study on women’s level of unhappiness and broke it out by decade, all decades would be unhappy, but 20’s would be the least unhappy and 30’s would be the most miserable.Do you think there's correlation between that age range and women then generally becomes fat??
Blackdragon 2018-01-15 11:23:56
Do you think there’s correlation between that age range and women then generally becomes fat??Not really, but there's plenty of data on this you could look at. Read what I said here about how younger women take care of their bodies vs. women in their 30's, at least in my anecdotal experience.
K 2018-01-15 12:26:04
https://digital.nhs.uk/media/34548/Health-Survey-for-England-2016-Adult-well-being/pdf/HSE2016-Adult-wel-bei Link to the original NHS report. Look at page 10, Figure 1, to observe the size of differences in male and female happiness per decade (incl. age groups 25-34 and 35-44, as per BD's request). @ TheRealCurtis You could try to argue, as some psychiatrists referring to this survey's results have, that women become happier after their life partners have died. 😉
TheRealCurtis 2018-01-15 13:59:06
@K Wow! It's crazy you say this because an issue I have seen a LOT of (including this week) is females with Abandonment issues or Personality Disorders that make it virtually impossible for them to let go and relax. For example, I have had women tell me that the reason I should desire Monogamous Marriage is because I will eventually be lonely and die by myself etc. That BDs way will lead me to a sad and lonely future. That it would be better to "grow old together" type Disney stuff. Of course "Love" is the # 1 reason for most of these women to get married. Not sexual chemistry or logic. However, just recently, my GF's grandmother (whom she is VERY close to) got really sick and is getting close to dying probably. I asked her if she was going to see her. She said she would think about it! HUH? Day 2, still not seen her Grandmother. WTF. She "says" she is going to go tomorrow (day 3) to see her. She admitted that she has a problem with seeing people that are going to leave her and can't handle the crying/sadness of it since she fears them not being in her life anymore. So, her solution to this is to just ignore it, flee it, put a wall up, wait for them to die, etc. lol. So, I suppose it is a positive thing that she sees that she does this and wants to get help. However, until someone with these issues got help, why would a man desire to be married to someone that would basically bail on me if I was sick, old, in the hospital or old and in need of something? Her fear of losing me because she loved me TOO MUCH, could lead to her finding reasons out of thin air for not staying by my side when I am getting old. Yeah that sounds like a great deal to me! Not. I also noticed how many women will attempt to delete their memory bank of a man after a break up in order to make them feel better. I can't help but think of that creepy Netflix series called Black Mirror when I see women do really bizarre things like this. I am just the opposite - I have pictures of things I have done with multiple women over the years and cherish these memories. After all, I prefer to have 1 or 2 ladies in my life long-term/forever versus this serial crap of looking for a Unicorn. I think that a BIG key (not only one) to women remaining happy is for us not to live together. Or the man should have a travel trailer or office somewhere where he keeps his shit. This also makes it feel more like dating too. Another idea is to have a small cabin or home that has a Male and Female wing to them. He is responsible for his side, she is responsible for her side. I would love to see a Builder start a neighborhood like this to see how it works. If you don't live with a woman 100% of the time or are in her space/her in my space all the time, it eliminates a lot of problems in my opinion. IDK what you guys think but my other theory is that anyone (man or woman) that has any kind of Personality Disorders, should NEVER be monogamous. Or they should at least do threesome together or something. The interesting thing I have noticed is that women (and men) that have them are usually the ones that REQUIRE monogamy, which facilitates their issues. If people that have Personality Disorders could just avoid this topic, they would be much happier in my opinion. For example, being a Cancer, we can tend to be paranoid or very skeptical of people and difficult to trust others. So, if I decide to not be monogamous with someone, it helps me manage my own weakness and allows me to not worry about if she is cheating and just enjoy life more.
Jack Outside the Box 2018-01-15 21:12:40
I prefer to have 1 or 2 ladies in my life long-term/foreverThis is Disney horseshit which will lead you into a lot of pain and misery.
IDK what you guys think but my other theory is that anyone (man or woman) that has any kind of Personality Disorders, should NEVER be monogamous.It doesn't matter if they have personality disorders or not. No one should be monogamous period. Monogamy leads to personality disorders.
Or they should at least do threesome together or something.They should do this regardless.
The interesting thing I have noticed is that women (and men) that have them are usually the ones that REQUIRE monogamy, which facilitates their issues. If people that have Personality Disorders could just avoid this topic, they would be much happier in my opinion.Everyone would be much happier without monogamy.
For example, being a Cancer, we can tend to be paranoid or very skeptical of people and difficult to trust others. So, if I decide to not be monogamous with someone, it helps me manage my own weakness and allows me to not worry about if she is cheating and just enjoy life more.This applies no matter who you are.
Jack Outside the Box 2018-01-15 21:15:45
IDK what you guys think but my other theory is that anyone (man or woman) that has any kind of Personality Disorders, should NEVER be monogamous.No one should ever be monogamous period. It doesn't matter if you have a personality disorder or not. If you don't, monogamy will give you one.
J.A. 2018-01-16 07:09:55
BD, I just got an eye-opening e-mail from an Andrew Sterling. He's going to have a podcast today about the #MeToo phenomenon in light of James Franco's and Aziz Ansari's sexual misconduct accusations. His e-mail has been getting flooded with several questions, like: Should I just be a nice guy and not offend her? Do I have to let her make the first move now? Is it ok to talk about sex? There’s a lot of confusion among guys about what’s ok, and what’s not ok to say and do.
Blackdragon 2018-01-16 11:20:53
James Franco’s and Aziz Ansari’s sexual misconduct accusationsI'm getting a shitload of email about this too. I just don't care about this predictable Western collapse crap, but it looks like I'll probably have to write another blog post about this.
J.A. 2018-01-16 11:57:55
I am listening to the podcast right now. One of the podcast speakers was talking about how a lot of guys are always coming from a place of taking from women rather than giving, which is a good point. It just comes back to the concept of not caring about the outcome. A lot of guys care too much. I used to be like that.
Zan 2018-01-17 11:17:58
Hey BD, not exactly sure where to post this.. but just wanted your perspective on this new trend of women marrying their Gay BFFs and calling it an open marriage/sexless marriage. How does this tie into a woman's happiness or are they just desperate for the Holy Grail status or maybe it's to secure resources and Gov't tax benefits? Thanks Here's the link... https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/tiffany-trumps-friends-just-entered-sexless-marriage-isnt-terrible-idea-225542180.html
Blackdragon 2018-01-17 12:46:14
new trend of women marrying their Gay BFFs and calling it an open marriage/sexless marriageThat is not a trend.
roger 2018-01-23 01:27:58
We used to lock the crazies up. Now we let them live in our communities - so I'm not surprized. Western Civilisation, is that Capitalism, then yes it is failing. As for the left wingers, well it's never been much better than the right wingers has it. Take a look at Scandinavian countries for example. They suffer from major groupthink - it's very difficult to complain there - you don't say anything that is contrary to the norm / the way something is done. Even if it sux! On the contrary in the West, specifically UK, USA, Australia, NZ people complain, they're even known as whiners. But because of that there is constant improvement. It's not perfect, but now the UK is leaving the EU, so eventually things do improve. Even in Sweden, they've finally admitted that the mass immigration was a bad move - all be it, a minor aceptance of mistake. In Asia they have spider filled minds though - if you ever yell or speak loudly, a person is labelled as INSANE. They also have these "saving face" - I do not really understand it at all, but it's related to shame and the whole seppuku thing that happens in japan.
Marty 2018-01-31 03:09:52
Actually, there IS a solution to this. Make her unhappy, which will make her happy. How? Hit her. Now while a vision of right crossing an annoying female whisks across your mind, that's not what I mean. Treat your woman like a slave, and hit her regularly, in a controlled BDSM type manner. What you mistake as a woman WANTING to be miserable is something else. It is a response from our prehistory days. Men no longer have to beat up the Betas and slay the Tiger to get our herd of women. We get to relax, and have taken to it well. Women, on the other hand were used to getting attacked by EVERYONE. Balsy Betas, which they would fend off if the Alpha did not catch them, the Tigers, and ultimately, the Alphas. Women, unlike men, cannot relax. If they are relaxed and happy, they become uneasy. Millions of years of evolution has taught them, for their sake, and the sake of their usually helpless young, to ALWAYS expect trouble. If it does not come, the tension builds. In modern women, this tension leads to drama. By giving a woman PAIN, it is processed by her body as an attack. Cue a womans' voice saying, "See, I was right". Then after about an hour of pain comes a morphine like high. Actually, in an hour, you will get roughly 3 hormone loads. After about 15-20 minutes of pain, the body will release hormones, she will become very tolerant to being hit. Look for that. Rub her body, enjoy the boobs, get in a quickie until she starts responding to lighter hits. Then repeat 2 more cycles. At the end of the 3rd cycle, you will hit her HARD with whatever you happen to be using, but she will not react much, or not at all. At this point, she is HIGH, and you have done a couple great things. You have provided her that "attack" she was expecting. And you have also gotten her high in a sexual situation. Did I forget to mention to elicit a lot of "yes Master", "thank you Master", and "I will obey Master". Make sure to stay in the Master role as she recovers from her high as she will be naturally compliant. Give her some water, chocolate, and keep her warm as she recovers. Take her for your pleasure as desired during recovery. That is how to provide a substitute to the drama/misery cycle that is a normal womans' life. And the man enjoys a high level of control, and sexual satisfaction to boot.
Zan 2018-02-06 04:04:48
Wow... this is so timely. Even back in 2013, you called it. When I saw this video clip, it made me go back and re-read both articles about how men can't make women happy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1EAu65DhZg
Robbie 2018-02-12 19:17:00
This makes sense as to why the male suicide rate outnumbers the female rate 4 to 1. When a man is unhappy enough he will do something, however stupid, to end it. However Blackdragon, I do know female exceptions. Hippy, free spirit girls, who seek nothing but happiness and joy, and are in fact, happy most of the time. You probably don't come across many of this demographic in your monkeysphere, but they do exist.