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When Attitude Destroys Appearance
There were some very interesting comments on the blog post I made a while back about the new insulting age limits at Plenty of Fish. It's become one of the highest-viewed blog posts here in the last few months. Some very thought-provoking points were brought up that I just had to revisit.
-By Caleb Jones
What I find offensive is the men going around spouting this bullshit and acting like older women are so unattractive. I’ve really only encountered that online from these pua sites. In real life men seem to like us just fine.
GOB responded thusly:
Yes it’s true. Because something happens in the online world with men, and it’s called honesty. At a suburban garden party how many 40+ men will tell you, that they really like 20 yr old girls with hot bodies? Not their “pride and happy plus size” wives? And when a man wants to lay you, does he says that he’d rather fuck that 19 year old waitress, but he has a better chance with you? No, people in the real world tend to tell the same Disney bullshit while in reality they want something very different. Heck, with friends and coworkers I’m almost never talk about this open-relationship thing.
Sometimes I go to church with my family, and there is this smokin’ hot ~18 year old chick. If you stand in the right position, you can see all the dads with their “happy monogamy” just looking at this chick like they’ve never seen a woman before.
Jack also responded:
It’s not about women over 33 being less attractive. It’s about them being more prude. They want to use sex as a weapon against men by utilizing it as a bargaining chip in exchange for resources, money, and commitment, whereas the young girls just want to fuck and have a good time, which is exactly what the older men want. So by restricting older men from messaging the younger women, the older women think they are securing the market and forcing the men into the provider role by cutting them off from those so called “slutty traitors to the sisterhood.”
Then they tell themselves that they are secretly working in the younger girls’ best interests because the young ones don’t have the self esteem yet to set a price for their vaginas higher than the penis in exchange!
The Real Reason
Often when I talk about older women being more problematic during the dating/seduction phase, older women often leap to the utterly incorrect conclusion that the only reason I'm saying this is because I think older women are physically less attractive than younger women.
Never mind the fact that I have said repeatedly I date women well over age 30, and often well over age 40, and love every minute of it. (There's one in my life right now, I love her to death, and she's hot as hell.) Never mind the fact that the woman I consider the best-looking celebrity in the world is over age 40. Never mind the fact that I would very much enjoy being in an OLTR, or even an OLTR marriage with a woman over 30, and I've actually made accommodations for just such a likely future event. Never mind the fact I lost my virginity to a woman 18 years older than me, and exclusively dated much older women for the first 15 years of my adult life.
I think older women are super hot. I want to have sex with them and often do. Yet it's so easy to paint men like us as pigs who think older women are ugly and simply want younger women because they're better looking (which they often are not).
When men point out that women under 33 don't usually do these things, these older women will imply strongly that younger women are stupid or sluts. It doesn't occur to these older women that very attitude is part of exactly what turns men off. It's all of THAT stuff that makes older women less attractive to strong, confident, high sex drive men. It has nothing whatsoever to do with how they look. Most older men consider older women extremely beautiful and sexy, myself included.
Being Honest About What You Want
To GOB's point, men over 30 in the real world are not going to say anything I just said. They don't want their wives or girlfriends to yell at them. They don't want to be called pigs. They don't want to screw up their chances with the woman they're currently working on. They want nods of approval from all the other women over 33 they know and work with.
Like most domesticated, pussified, betaized men in modern society, they just shut the fuck up and remain in line like good little boys who obey the will of the feminized, politically correct collective. This makes the problem I described above even worse. Women over age 33 proceed to act like the way they act in a dating environment and are virtually never called out on it, except in "safe" areas like here online.
If an over-33 woman never sees anything like the manosphere she can spend literally years dating guys and never have any guy ever notify her that what she's doing is simply forcing the more successful, masculine, confident, dynamic men to date women younger than her. And again, it has nothing whatsoever to do with how she looks or how younger women look, though that's the first reason she'll point to.
Most importantly, I have said it many times before and I will say it again: If men didn't put up with this kind of behavior from women, women wouldn't do it. If 90% of men over age 30 adamantly refused to spend more than $10-$15 on any date prior to having sex, women over 33 would do an almost instant 180 degree switcheroo and suddenly all their 5-dinner-dates-before-sex stuff would vanish into thin air. They would have to start having sex sooner in order to snag a quality boyfriend or husband.
There are already dynamics like this in countries where prostitution is legal and easily accessible. Many guys in these countries tell me that non-prostitute women get to sex with men they're dating very quickly, because they know if they don't, that guy can take the same amount of money he's spending on that dinner date and just go have sex with a hooker, often one better looking and better in bed than the woman he's on a date with. I'm not a big fan of prostitutes myself, but it does illustrate the point.
Conversely, in a society where most women of a certain age range make men wait for sex and where most men of equivalent age put up with that system, these women will continue to get free time, attention, compliments, ass-kissing, dinners, drinks and gifts from men they've never had sex with, all the while looking down their noses at younger women and the more desirable, exciting, masculine men who date them. As is usually the case, it starts with men.
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Matt T. 2013-07-29 06:00:38
Backing BD here... Older women are soooo super hot sometimes especially when they don't have that virginal, pure, delicate-flower look to them. When they look like wanton sex goddesses, it pitches tents in my shorts. Too bad they tend to be a lot more bitchy than younger women.
GOB 2013-07-29 08:29:39
Yeah, I should back up a little. Probably most guys are not like me, cause I've never liked older women. Sure, there are a lot of hot 35+ ladies, but they don't make me become "Carlos Danger". When I was 18, then, I didn't even like 25 year olds. It's the same with big boobs. No offence, I just like that.... My taste is unique I guess. 😀
Bastardly 2013-07-29 10:01:26
I'm over 30 and live in the mid-west where most women age badly and get the above mentality as soon as they hit 30. Because of it I've stuck to dating women in their early to mid twenties. No feminist ideals, no using their pussies as bargaining chips, they're not jaded or spurned but eager to learn about the world and themselves. It's nice. Though sometimes the idea of that older chick who takes care of herself and understands her sexuality is a very nice thought...regionally you just don't see it here. Not with a fast food restaurant and a sex hating church on every block.
BamaLaw 2013-07-29 12:55:49
Bastardly, I believe you have the quote of the day with "Not with a fast food restaurant and a sex hating church on every block." Hilarious! I live in the South where we have the same things...
Blimy 2013-07-30 13:37:41
Thanks. Fucking 'merica. Yeesh. Time to eject from the bible belt.
BamaLaw 2013-07-30 13:50:50
Hold on, Blimy... go to an Alabama or Ole Miss football game before you decide to bail on the entire region... You will never find a more magnificent hive of beauty and accommodation. Truly. But most have yet to hit 30...
AFP 2013-07-31 00:24:07
Women with these tactics that eliminate quality men from their lives are like business owners who maximize revenue to the detriment of margins...
Niteride Mick 2017-06-29 02:45:33
Going to church and preving on 18yr old girls wont you burn up in hell for that Ah well least you wont turn into a pillar of salt I hope !!