The War on Drugs

The issue of the legality of drugs is one of those things that I find amazing there’s actually a political debate about it. As usual, both the left and the right are wrong on this issue, and today I’ll examine this from a small government, personal freedom standpoint.

The right wing’s opinion on this, speaking generally (and yes, I know there are always exceptions) is that any and all drugs not prescribed by a doctor are pure evil and must never be used. All drugs must be illegal and the government must crack down on anyone using them, selling them, or bringing them into the country. This is even if it costs hundreds of billions of dollars (which is does), involves insane laws that violate the property rights and privacy rights of innocent citizens (which is does), creates a titanic degree of violent crime (which it does), and even creates wars in other countries (which it does).

Of course, the vast majority of right wingers, politicians included, either use illegal drugs or have used drugs in the past, making them piece of shit hypocrites on this issue.

The left wing’s opinion on this, speaking generally (and yes, I know there are always exceptions) is that some or all drugs should be made legal, but that the sale of these drugs must be tightly regulated, controlled, and taxed by big government. Yes, make pot legal, but no, don’t make it so anyone can sell it to anyone. Oh no, that’s too much freedom. Instead, create specific government regulated and sanctioned locations called “dispensaries” where citizens are authorized to purchase certain amounts of pot there. Oh, and be sure to tax the shit out of any drugs we legalize because we need to increase government spending even though government already spends $7 trillion a year.

As I said, they’re both wrong.

Separating Personal Opinions from Public Policy

Before we get into the issue of drugs, we need to cover another important concept first. A key to operating under a free society is to separate your personal, individual opinions regarding proper behavior from the laws you set that control millions of your fellow countrymen.

It’s no secret that I hate drugs. I’ve never done drugs and I never will. I think doing drugs is stupid beyond belief. Building a successful, happy life is hard enough without drugs… why the hell would you want to make it even harder by introducing drugs into the mix?

Regardless, I know that projecting my personal, emotional biases upon my society or using the force of government is a terrible idea if I want to live in a free society where I’m allowed to live my life as I choose. Therefore, even though I’m against drugs, I know that making drugs illegal just because I don’t like them isn’t a wise idea.

Both the left and the right don’t understand this, and project their personal, emotional biases onto society, using the force of government to coerce others to conform to their will. The left does this with guns, the right does this with drugs. “I don’t like it, it bothers me, so it should be illegal!” You can’t do this if you want to live in a free society where you are treated as a free citizen to live your life as you choose.

All Drugs Should Be Legal at the Federal Level

Step one to this process to simply make all drugs legal at the federal level. Technically, they already are. There is no authority in the US Constitution for the federal government to enforce any drug laws in any way, regarding the use, sale, or importation (other than perhaps taxing drugs imported into the country from other nations).

Making drugs legal at the federal level would effectively end most of the drug war, which is a good thing. The government would allow the states to set up any drug laws they wished, and border security regarding drugs would be gone.

States Can Do Whatever They Want

At the state level, states should be allowed to enact any drug laws they wish. If Texas or Utah wants to make all drugs illegal, and imprison people for life for smoking a little pot, they are more than welcome to do that. If California or Vermont wants to make all drugs legal across the board, and allow anyone to shoot up heroin or snort cocaine in public whenever they feel like it, then they are more than welcome to do that.

Then, private citizens can then choose to move to any state they wish, and most will chose to live in states that most reflect their value systems.

Right wing, anti-drug states would have stupid, wasteful, miniature drug wars inside their own states and on their borders. Since drug laws don’t work, none of their drug regulations will work, and taxpayers will waste millions. But many right wingers aren’t rational on this issue, so they probably wouldn’t care.

Left wing states would make drugs legal to a degree, and regulate and tax the crap out of them, creating gray and black markets where people would get their drugs by bypassing the regulations and taxes. It wouldn’t be nearly as bad as in the right wing states, but it would still be problematic. And again, most left wingers wouldn’t care since wasteful government doesn’t seem to bother them.

The few states that actually chose freedom (those states I would live in) would take a libertarian approach by legalizing all drugs and not tax or regulate them at all. You could just walk into your local grocery store and buy cocaine and heroin right next to the sugar and salt. People forget that you could do this in America all the way until the 1930’s, yet in the pre-1930’s, America wasn’t full of drug addicts like it is today. Hm.

Prescription Drugs

The big problem today, at least in the US, is not just with illegal drugs, but with prescription painkillers. People are getting addicted to these things in droves, despite the government and doctor-controlled regulations upon their use and distribution.

In a free society, the concept of a “prescription” would not exist. You would simply go to your very inexpensive, free market, non-corporatist doctor (as I described here), and he would tell you what drugs you needed. You would then use the internet to determine which drugs would be best suited for your condition and your body, based on his recommendations, and then you’d go to the grocery store or Amazon and buy them. There would be no “pharmacy” where you need a doctor’s note to get the medicine you require.

This terrifies people because they worry that everyone would either turn into drug addicts or get the wrong drugs and perhaps kill themselves. As I keep telling people, this happens right now anyway. In a free market system and in the internet age, data on the internet plus the advice of your doctor would be more than enough to guide the 95% of normal, non-insane people to purchase the correct drugs they needed and avoid the incorrect ones. Since all drugs would be prescription free, there would be warnings for all kinds of third-party services and web sites clearly showing which drugs were unhealthy, dangerous, or addictive. Right now, most of this data is locked up and controlled by doctors and hospitals, which is stupid, and cause people to blindly follow what doctors tell them, even if it means taking addictive painkillers.

I agree that before the internet, such a free system would be dicey, but we live in the internet age now. We don’t need all these laws and regulations anymore.

This also gets into the emotional, cultural, political, and economic reasons why so many Americans today are doping themselves with all these damn painkillers, but that’s beyond the scope of this article.

As usual, since most people are right wingers or left wingers, most will vehemently disagree with most of what I’ve said here. That’s why our country is in the sad shape that it’s in.

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  • Joanna
    Posted at 06:29 am, 24th September 2017

    Don’t the drug cartels want it to remain illegal since if drugs get legalised its putting them out of business? I reckon they will be very cross and that they like and need it to be so restricted in order to keep business thriving.

  • Sean
    Posted at 06:37 am, 24th September 2017

    I am curious about your thoughts on the opiod crisis in many communities, the causes, and possible solutions…

  • Investor
    Posted at 08:25 am, 24th September 2017

    Wow this is probably the single most controversial article you have written.

  • captain
    Posted at 09:00 am, 24th September 2017

    In many parts of the world you can buy whatever medications you want with no prescription. It doesn’t seem to cause any big problems and saves a ton of time/ money/ hassle.

    Perhaps the USA regulates drugs  heavily in order to subsidize the medical industry (doctors, pharmacists, insurance corporations & pharmaceutical corporations)?

    Although it is still a very easy place to start a business, the USA is increasingly corporateist and I seriously doubt this trend will reverse.

  • blueguitar
    Posted at 10:27 am, 24th September 2017

    There is no authority in the US Constitution for the federal government to enforce any drug laws in any way, regarding the use, sale, or importation (other than perhaps taxing drugs imported into the country from other nations).

    Interesting point that not many people mention.

    Making drugs legal at the federal level would effectively end most of the drug war, which is a good thing.

    Ending the drug war would be positive for many communities in the US, as well as for many of US’s neighbor. They have suffered much violence and corruption because of the drug war.  Also, many people wouldn’t be imprisoned.

    Don’t the drug cartels want it to remain illegal since if drugs get legalised its putting them out of business? I reckon they will be very cross and that they like and need it to be so restricted in order to keep business thriving.

    That’s my impression, for the most part.  Cartels make money from the profit margin created by the risks involved in selling banned products.

    Also, the whole mechanism developed to combat illegal drugs receives billions per year.  I could be said that the cartels and the legal entities have an unhealthy symbiotic relationship.

    Another interesting aside – many pot growers use harmful agricultural practices.  I always assumed they were organic farming. (http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2014/03/marijuana-weed-pot-farming-environmental-impacts/)

    Right now, most of this data is locked up and controlled by doctors and hospitals, which is stupid, and cause people to blindly follow what doctors tell them, even if it means taking addictive painkillers.

    Interesting point – it reminds me of how many people die due to “hospital malpractice” a year – around 440,000 in the US. (http://www.hospitalsafetygrade.org/newsroom/display/hospitalerrors-thirdleading-causeofdeathinus-improvementstooslow). This is almost 10x the rate from overdose, though doesn’t include drug-related deaths. (https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/06/05/upshot/opioid-epidemic-drug-overdose-deaths-are-rising-faster-than-ever.html)

    People forget that you could do this in America all the way until the 1930’s, yet in the pre-1930’s, America wasn’t full of drug addicts like it is today. Hm.

    I’m interested to learn more about this.

    I am curious about your thoughts on the opiod crisis in many communities, the causes, and possible solutions…

    An interesting possibility/perspective: https://www.theguardian.com/science/2017/mar/09/opioid-addiction-marijuana-treatment-joe-schrank-high-sobriety

     

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 10:43 am, 24th September 2017

    Don’t the drug cartels want it to remain illegal since if drugs get legalised its putting them out of business?

    Yes, correct.

    I am curious about your thoughts on the opiod crisis in many communities, the causes, and possible solutions…

    Increased use of drugs like heroin is yet another symptom of the dark age the Western world is entering. People feel helpless, aimless, unhappy, and the economy for average people is still stagnant. Add that all together and you get things like heroin.

    As always, there is no real-life solution to these kinds of endemic Western problems. We just need to wait it out until the West either collapses or becomes something else.

    Interesting point – it reminds me of how many people die due to “hospital malpractice” a year – around 440,000 in the US.

    Absolutely and I’ve read similar statistics, though I don’t exactly know how they come up with such large numbers. This is yet another reason why one of your goals should be to stay OUT of hospitals by taking good care of your long-term health.

  • blueguitar
    Posted at 02:18 pm, 24th September 2017

    Absolutely and I’ve read similar statistics, though I don’t exactly know how they come up with such large numbers. This is yet another reason why one of your goals should be to stay OUT of hospitals by taking good care of your long-term health.

    Good point.

    I realize this is a bit off topic, but – I think the numbers come from this study: http://journals.lww.com/journalpatientsafety/Fulltext/2013/09000/A_New,_Evidence_based_Estimate_of_Patient_Harms.2.aspx . You can presumably check hospitals’ safety grades at http://www.hospitalsafetygrade.org/

    It says:

    Methods: A literature review identified 4 limited studies that used primarily the Global Trigger Tool to flag specific evidence in medical records, such as medication stop orders or abnormal laboratory results, which point to an adverse event that may have harmed a patient. Ultimately, a physician must concur on the findings of an adverse event and then classify the severity of patient harm.

    Here’s more info about the GTT – http://www.ihi.org/resources/Pages/Tools/IHIGlobalTriggerToolforMeasuringAEs.aspx

  • Aring Tulik
    Posted at 05:40 pm, 24th September 2017

    Here in little ol’ New Zealand the government that just got elected is one of the only ones against softening of Marijuana laws.

    Looks like i’ll be moving to Holland or Uruguay 🙂

    Great article Caleb!

    From reading your work it seems as if Uruguay would be a better option because Europe is collapsing though I haven’t looked objectively into that topic yet, but Uruguay would be a nice stop-over until I understand enough about it to make a reasonable guess.

    Hope to work with you in the future, all the best.

  • joelsuf
    Posted at 05:52 pm, 24th September 2017

    even though I’m against drugs, I know that making drugs illegal just because I don’t like them isn’t a wise idea.

    Stuff I’ve been saying more or less since high school.

  • Marty
    Posted at 07:49 pm, 24th September 2017

    Don’t the drug cartels want it to remain illegal since if drugs get legalised its putting them out of business? I reckon they will be very cross and that they like and need it to be so restricted in order to keep business thriving.

    Which drug cartels are you talking about?? The small ones like the ones in Mexico, Columbia etc or the really big ones….the ones that are listed on the NYSE? 😀

  • John C
    Posted at 11:07 pm, 24th September 2017

    The Problem I see with Drug legalization is Health Care. In america if you get rid of Obama Care and do free market of Health Care than drug legalization is no problem. If you don’t have a free market on health care than the cost of dumb and/or irresponsible people goes to everyone. In a free market (on Health care) they would be either forced to change their behavior or suffer. Unfortunately their family would likely suffer from their bad actions.

    Don’t get me wrong this goes for Food as well. That is one of many the problems on the right. They want a free market on Food but not on Drugs and at the same time they don’t fight tooth and nail to rid of government from health care (and I mean even regulations and restrictions) . Fat people cost the country more on Health Care than drug deaths.

     

    It is like the open border Libertarians that would rather fight Trump and his supporters for wanting a wall but at the same time not fighting to end the wealthfare State.

  • Matt
    Posted at 03:50 am, 25th September 2017

    There would be no “pharmacy” where you need a doctor’s note to get the medicine you require.

     
    I think pharmacies are actually a good thing, even in the system you described, because having all the drugs in one store managed by a pharmacist (literally drug-specialist) is an obvious convenience.

    Doctor’s notes should be only a polite suggestion though.

  • Seamus
    Posted at 07:12 am, 25th September 2017

    I agree with Matt and Pharmacies. Caleb it appears you are woefully ignorant of the Job Pharmacists do.  A lot of medicnes interact with each other dangerously, Pharmacists  ensure patients get the correct drug at the correct dose according to the condition being treated under the Doctors supervision. They catch and prevent harm coming to the patient as a result of the presribing errors that doctors make, They are the medicines experts.

     

  • LionKing
    Posted at 02:27 pm, 25th September 2017

    Good article; I more or less agree with you, CJ.

    There is IMHO one drug that deserves special treatment: sugar.

    Sugar is classified as food, but it is basically a drug – you get “high” on it (=sugar rush), you get low (=craving for more). The side effects are known – obesity, diabetes,… The related CVD (cardiovascular diseases) it helps promote are No. 1 cause of death globally.

    It’s a dirt cheap ingredient of all processed food, a preservative, it’s addictive,… and ideal for filling the food/pharma/health industry pockets.

    I think it should be hugely taxed, but this will never happen, of course.

    And the legality of drugs: what about the 3 letter agencies supposedly getting their black funds from trafficking?

  • joelsuf
    Posted at 02:37 pm, 25th September 2017

    It is like the open border Libertarians that would rather fight Trump and his supporters for wanting a wall but at the same time not fighting to end the wealthfare State.

    You are describing anarcho-communism. That was my philosophy in my 20s: Pretty much, even everything out to where there is no upper, middle, or lower class and everything will be cool. I supported open borders and sat out anthems long before professional athletes thought it was cool (which it is, but I am very VERY suspicious of their methods).

    But then I realized: What if I become the upper class, or even just make a little more money than I currently possessed? Would I be cool with people with less money just kind of seizing it from me? No, I wouldn’t. And thus I became an anarcho-capitalist.

    So now I am for open borders AND I want to end the welfare state 🙂

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 03:59 pm, 25th September 2017

    From reading your work it seems as if Uruguay would be a better option because Europe is collapsing though I haven’t looked objectively into that topic yet, but Uruguay would be a nice stop-over until I understand enough about it to make a reasonable guess.

    Yes, Uruguay is a good option for a Country A or B.

    If you don’t have a free market on health care than the cost of dumb and/or irresponsible people goes to everyone. In a free market (on Health care) they would be either forced to change their behavior or suffer. Unfortunately their family would likely suffer from their bad actions.

    Correct. Government involvment in health care almost always leads to problems, as I showed here.

    Don’t get me wrong this goes for Food as well. That is one of many the problems on the right. They want a free market on Food but not on Drugs and at the same time they don’t fight tooth and nail to rid of government from health care (and I mean even regulations and restrictions)

    Correct again. Conservatives usually want some kind of corporatist health care system, not a free market one. And as I’ve explained, corporatism is just another form of big government.

    It is like the open border Libertarians that would rather fight Trump and his supporters for wanting a wall but at the same time not fighting to end the wealthfare State.

    I don’t see this. I see Trump opposed by real libertarians and supported by fake libertarians, but I don’t see many open-border libertarians who also support a welfare state.

    I think pharmacies are actually a good thing, even in the system you described, because having all the drugs in one store managed by a pharmacist (literally drug-specialist) is an obvious convenience.

    I agree but read exactly what I said, that you already quoted: There would be no “pharmacy” where you need a doctor’s note to get the medicine you require.

    Caleb it appears you are woefully ignorant of the Job Pharmacists do.

    Jesus dude. Do you seriously think I don’t know what pharmacists do?

    Read what I just said above.

    I think it should be hugely taxed, but this will never happen, of course.

    I agree sugar is a drug. I myself am likely suffering from this. Doesn’t matter. In the internet age, nothing addictive needs to be taxed any differently than anything else. If people want to get addicted or destroy their own bodies, that’s their choice. (Again, we can’t have government run health care either.)

    And the legality of drugs: what about the 3 letter agencies supposedly getting their black funds from trafficking?

    Absolutely. Everyone needs to watch the movie Kill The Messenger. The CIA and related agencies LOVE that drugs are illegal. This is why you’ll never seem them made legal in the US (outside of things like pot).

  • John C
    Posted at 06:16 pm, 25th September 2017

    I didn’t say that Libertarians did not want to end the Welfare State since most Libertarians are against anything that violates the NAP. I more was comparing it to how the right pretends to be all for ending things like Obama Care and lowering government spending but then doesn’t act on it, all talk. But if you ask them to go to war with Iraq then they will push hard on it.
    The focus of many libertarians such as Reason Mag, Jeffrey Tucker and Adam Koseh, and Free Talk Live since 2015 was to attack Trump and not really attack either Obama or Hillary (Tucker even going on how Trump is a fascist back in 2016 https://fee.org/articles/waking-up-to-the-reality-of-fascism/). When they are asked how can you support open border while there is a Welfare state? The answer is often that they will support ending any government program and against any new government program due in part because of the NAP and in the hope that it will lead to the end of the state, if immigrates are coming for the welfare it would bring an end to the welfare state faster.
    And somehow many are alright with the welfare ending because it collapse. and are ok with the population being replace by mass immigration of people who came for free stuff. This will somehow bring Liberty when it ends. And at the same time the rest of the world is not opening their borders.

    Don’t get me wrong Welfare even without immigration does and has produce a class of people that do not work. If it is not ended early the number of producer go down and the number receiving welfare increases over time. It would also collapse if the nation was only white people or had no migration. The differences I see is that in the future one ends with the lesson being not that the welfare state fails but that of foreigners destroy your nation (like many Alt-retards who believe that socialism works in a white nation) and the other ends with the lesson (more important) that the welfare state (and for that matter socialism) always fails.

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 10:08 pm, 25th September 2017

    I more was comparing it to how the right pretends to be all for ending things like Obama Care and lowering government spending but then doesn’t act on it, all talk. But if you ask them to go to war with Iraq then they will push hard on it.

    Correct. Post-George W. Bush, the right is openly for big government, just a right-wing flavor of big government.

    https://calebjonesblog.com/republicans-are-for-big-government/

    When they are asked how can you support open border while there is a Welfare state? The answer is often that they will support ending any government program and against any new government program due in part because of the NAP and in the hope that it will lead to the end of the state, if immigrates are coming for the welfare it would bring an end to the welfare state faster.
    And somehow many are alright with the welfare ending because it collapse. and are ok with the population being replace by mass immigration of people who came for free stuff. This will somehow bring Liberty when it ends. And at the same time the rest of the world is not opening their borders.

    Got it. Yes, that’s a complicated issue. I have some clear and strong opinions about it but it’s too off-topic for this article, which is about the legality of drugs.

    like many Alt-retards who believe that socialism works in a white nation

    Yes, agree 100%. I’ve talked before about how those guys think the welfare state and socialism will work great as long as the lazy asshole with no job getting your taxpayer money is a white Christian guy. So fucking stupid.

  • Joanna
    Posted at 12:09 am, 26th September 2017

    There is IMHO one drug that deserves special treatment: sugar.

    Sugar is classified as food, but it is basically a drug – you get “high” on it (=sugar rush), you get low (=craving for more). The side effects are known – obesity, diabetes,… The related CVD (cardiovascular diseases) it helps promote are No. 1 cause of death globally.

    It’s a dirt cheap ingredient of all processed food, a preservative, it’s addictive,… and ideal for filling the food/pharma/health industry pockets.

    I think it should be hugely taxed, but this will never happen, of course.

    In South Africa we have Sugar Tax to help curb the increasing obesity epidemic. It will be about 20% extra and only for beverages with a certain gramage per 100ml.

    Below a quick read on the matter.

    http://www.fin24.com/Budget/BudgetReaction/budget2017-sugar-tax-health-aid-or-budget-band-aid-20170223

     

     

  • Tale
    Posted at 01:36 am, 26th September 2017

    If all drugs are legal and easily attainable, how do you tackle the problem of mis-use that affects others, for example antibiotics?

    Let’s say using antibiotics in a situation where they provide no benefit and finishing a course of antibiotics early leads to strains of antibiotic-resistant bacteria (in this example let’s say there is no debate and this has been scientifically proven).

    There is no downside to the individual, but if a lot of people do this (and they would) certain conditions become difficult or impossible to treat and it’s a huge negative for everyone. I’m not sure how a libertarian approach to drugs would tackle an issue like this.

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 11:13 am, 26th September 2017

    I’m not sure how a libertarian approach to drugs would tackle an issue like this.

    It’s the same question about everything. “If government doesn’t do X, then these bad things might happen.” Yes, they might. Or they may not. And if they do, we’ll have to come up with free market solutions. Or we won’t. But if we get government involved, bad things will happen, and will likely be far more severe long-term than the scary possibility of less government.

    But yes, this is one of the many reasons why small government is so unpopular. People are just too scared of freedom, and want big mommy government (if you lean left) or big strong daddy government (if you lean right) to take care of them.

  • joelsuf
    Posted at 12:15 pm, 26th September 2017

    Correct. Post-George W. Bush, the right is openly for big government, just a right-wing flavor of big government.

    I would argue that it goes even further back, probably to Nixon. This probably belongs on the other post about war being bad for the economy, but Nixon was literally banking on the Vietnam War. Government has grown considerably ever since. Nixon tricked Libertarians just before Trump ever did.

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 12:33 pm, 26th September 2017

    I would argue that it goes even further back, probably to Nixon.

    That’s why I said openly for big government. Back in the time of Nixon, Republican politicians had to at least pretend they were for small government. GW Bush changed that, and since him, Republicans openly say that big government is needed. GW Bush and the neocons were indeed a big shift in American zeitgeist.

    Nixon tricked Libertarians just before Trump ever did.

    To be fair to Trump, Trump didn’t trick libertarians. He never ran on a small government platform (as I said). Instead pro-Trump (ex-)libertarians got irrational and tricked themselves.

  • David
    Posted at 09:36 pm, 26th September 2017

    Ive never done drugs but i always supported legalization.  I think if it sells, fucking sell it.  Good for the economy.  Fuck anyone who cant make good decisions with their freedoms.  More air for me.

     

    Im also kind of sick in the head.  Everyone I know who even smokes pot, is a loser.  They mostly work dead end jobs or in the service industry, and become liberal pussies and complainers.

     

    My life is my responsibility and im in full control.  Let them become lazy and unmotivated.  It gives me an edge over other people.

  • joelsuf
    Posted at 09:39 pm, 26th September 2017

    That’s why I said openly for big government. Back in the time of Nixon, Republican politicians had to at least pretend they were for small government.

    Got it. I must have overlooked the “openly” part. I was gonna say, I’m pretty sure they were for big government, just their own big government.

    Trump didn’t trick libertarians. He never ran on a small government platform (as I said).

    You don’t count his “drain the swamp” promise a small government platform? That’s what I meant by saying that he tricked libertarians. He certainly had a couple of my buddies fooled with his whole “drain the swamp” thing.

    pro-Trump (ex-)libertarians got irrational and tricked themselves.

    I can see that. I mean I was glad to see Obombya go, but it didn’t mean that Trump was gonna be much better.

    Its funny, I posted on my facebook right before election day “if you vote for anyone today, even Trump, then you aren’t as libertarian as you think you are.” Got unfriended by like 20 people after saying that lol.

  • Shayme
    Posted at 11:59 pm, 26th September 2017

    So the reason that our country is in the sad shape it is in, is because most people would vehemently disagree with your article. Seriously?

    95% of normal, non-insane people would be able to safely purchase and use drugs on their own without a doctor? You often apply your intellect/sensibility to others, but this seems too much. I meet people daily who have zero self awareness and use caffeine, nicotine, rx meds, psych drugs, etc., without any understanding of how they work, side effects, etc. It’s hard to believe that taking away pharmacists and doctors and relying solely on Google search will somehow make them choose to become informed on their own and able to safely choose their own medicine and take it appropriately. This is absurd and doesn’t jive with my experience of meeting everyday people who take medication. They don’t even read the printed information that comes with the medicine! These are ‘normal people.’

    If the pre-1930s were such a great time with unlimited drug access, why did we ban them?

    Side effects are always listed in literature give at rx pickup. What meds side effects have you seen secretly hidden away but then come out later? I suspect this happens if trial are too short, but doubt it’s common.

  • Caleb Jones
    Posted at 01:13 am, 27th September 2017

    You don’t count his “drain the swamp” promise a small government platform?

    No. Nothing in his “drain the swamp” bullshit equaled “make government smaller.”

    That’s what I meant by saying that he tricked libertarians. He certainly had a couple of my buddies fooled with his whole “drain the swamp” thing.

    Then with all due respect to your buddies, they were either stupid, or they were never real libertarians to begin with. At no point did Trump seriously indicate he was going to be a small government president.

    So the reason that our country is in the sad shape it is in, is because most people would vehemently disagree with your article. Seriously?

    No. Our country is in sad shape because it’s run by left-wingers and right-wingers, both of whom are for gigantic government, which is slowly destroying our nation and culture.

    95% of normal, non-insane people would be able to safely purchase and use drugs on their own without a doctor?

    Yes. But realize I said 95% of normal, non-insane people, not 95% of people. We could certainly debate about what percentage of people are not normal or are insane.

    I meet people daily who have zero self awareness and use caffeine, nicotine, rx meds, psych drugs, etc., without any understanding of how they work, side effects, etc.

    So do I. Doesn’t matter. Do you realize the number of people (thousands upon thousands) who have been killed because of our drug war? Do you realize the number of people (thousands upon thousands) who have innocently had their property sized through asset forfeiture laws because of our drug war? Do you realize the number of people (thousands upon thousands) who have been sent to prison just because they used or sold drugs, often that were largely harmless? Do you realize what drugs being illegal in the USA has done to societies like Mexico and Colombia?

    You think all of that horror and death is worth calming your emotions about drugs. I do not.

    If the pre-1930s were such a great time with unlimited drug access, why did we ban them?

    Because corporatists in big pharma and other industries, and the politicians in their pockets, quickly figured out they could make much more money if drugs were made illegal by government force.

    Show me in the history books that we had some kind of horrible opiate epidemic in the US in prior to the 1940’s when all this stuff was legal. You won’t find it.

  • joelsuf
    Posted at 01:04 pm, 27th September 2017

    Then with all due respect to your buddies, they were either stupid, or they were never real libertarians to begin with.

    Oh I agree. After they told me that I was a bad person for not voting, I was like “yeah we’re done.” lol

    So the reason that our country is in the sad shape it is in, is because most people would vehemently disagree with your article. Seriously?

    Yup. Take away the right wingers who want to tell you how to live your life and the left wingers who want to tell you how to spend your money and within a quarter of a decade the west would actually be great again. But westerners have been systematically trained for the last century or so that this would not be a good thing.

    I meet people daily who have zero self awareness and use caffeine, nicotine, rx meds, psych drugs, etc., without any understanding of how they work, side effects, etc.

    And? Let them OD and do stupid things or die. Why should you care? Quit trying to save people who you don’t know. Passive eugenics, homie. If you are dumb enough to not know what you are putting into your body, then you may not be smart enough to live.

     

  • CrabRangoon
    Posted at 10:06 pm, 28th September 2017

    Prostitution should also be legalized.  As long as both parties are consenting adults, who gives a shit if a guy wants to pay some hooker for a BJ?  It doesn’t harm society and can give guys who don’t get laid much an outlet.  It’s a huge waste of law enforcement time and money to chase these girls and guys around.  Not to mention it can ruin someone’s life and over what???  Some consensual sex?  Some would argue that many relationships and marriages are just soft forms of prostitution anyway.  The real thing just cuts out the bullshit and wedding dress.

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